The Covid-19 Info thread (keep politics out please)

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg

Time to open this bitch back up.***

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Agree ... Open the **** up.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

Agree ... Open the **** up.

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I still want answer from those who think nothing should open back up, when is it ok to open up? The county w the largest amount of positive is 1.2%. So we sit tight until when?? Our economy is going to be brutal. Might crash anyway. But if we lock down any longer I assure you we are toast. More people are going to die. I get it. But social distancing was never designed to stop the virus, nor deaths. Just slow it. That's been done. And yes w had the highest number of cases yesterday. Again I get it. Prior to that we've been flat for a while w some small ups and downs. I'll say this again, the economic crisis from this will be 100x greater than the virus itself....

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I still want answer from those who think nothing should open back up, when is it ok to open up? The county w the largest amount of positive is 1.2%. So we sit tight until when?? Our economy is going to be brutal. Might crash anyway. But if we lock down any longer I assure you we are toast. More people are going to die. I get it. But social distancing was never designed to stop the virus, nor deaths. Just slow it. That's been done. And yes w had the highest number of cases yesterday. Again I get it. Prior to that we've been flat for a while w some small ups and downs. I'll say this again, the economic crisis from this will be 100x greater than the virus itself....

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Just keep printing that money. Grandkids may end up speaking Chinese, but whatever...

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Originally Posted by hacker

Anyway.

Looks like MS is including "probable" deaths now too.

As a reminder, this means that medical examiner put this on their death certificate.

As another reminder, nobody is getting money for these dead bodies that have covid listed on their death certificate. The money is only for hospitals with actual positive tests. Since these dead people did not test positive, there is no money.

New cases reported today: 397
New deaths reported today: 20 *
* 11 of the deaths reported today occurred between March 29 and April 16, and are based on death certificate investigations.

Also highest number of cases reported so far.

Scott County: 339 total cases, 1.2% of the population has tested positive

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You don't have to have a positive lab confirmed test to get money for covid patients as a hospital under CARES.

ETA: below link is a good read on the CDC guidance under the CARES and how hospitals are reimbursed. It is acceptable to report deaths as covid 19 deaths without a positive test if it is likely or suspected the death was covid 19 related, even where the patient tested negative if it is suspected there was a false negative.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/04/hospital-payments-and-the-covid-19-death-count/

379 cases today in Mississippi. Are we hitting our peak?

On the 397 new cases today, doesn't there seem to be one day a week where there a good bit more cases than the others? Do we happen to get outside testing numbers once a week or something?

The way this has been handled from the beginning has been completely balls up. They did this half assed approach trying to straddle the fence of protecting the economy and slowing the spread. All they did was 17 up. They needed to do a real shut down two months ago for 2-3 weeks. Then we could probably be opening back up and getting the economy going. But all they did was destroy the economy and do next to nothing to slow the spread.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I still want answer from those who think nothing should open back up, when is it ok to open up? The county w the largest amount of positive is 1.2%. So we sit tight until when?? Our economy is going to be brutal. Might crash anyway. But if we lock down any longer I assure you we are toast. More people are going to die. I get it. But social distancing was never designed to stop the virus, nor deaths. Just slow it. That's been done. And yes w had the highest number of cases yesterday. Again I get it. Prior to that we've been flat for a while w some small ups and downs. I'll say this again, the economic crisis from this will be 100x greater than the virus itself....

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This.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Just keep printing that money. Grandkids may end up speaking Chinese, but whatever...

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And this.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I still want answer from those who think nothing should open back up, when is it ok to open up? The county w the largest amount of positive is 1.2%. So we sit tight until when?? Our economy is going to be brutal. Might crash anyway. But if we lock down any longer I assure you we are toast. More people are going to die. I get it. But social distancing was never designed to stop the virus, nor deaths. Just slow it. That's been done. And yes w had the highest number of cases yesterday. Again I get it. Prior to that we've been flat for a while w some small ups and downs. I'll say this again, the economic crisis from this will be 100x greater than the virus itself....

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I have zero problem with opening it up like Sweden and just letting it burn through the population. However, I am in PPE at work and can stay home during the week. So it's unlikely I'll suffer the health consequences of opening up completely. I can watch from the window as other people get coronavirus, and we develop heard immunity. If other people want to be the sacrificial lambs, I won't stand in their way.

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Originally Posted by starkvegasdawg

The way this has been handled from the beginning has been completely balls up. They did this half assed approach trying to straddle the fence of protecting the economy and slowing the spread. All they did was 17 up. They needed to do a real shut down two months ago for 2-3 weeks. Then we could probably be opening back up and getting the economy going. But all they did was destroy the economy and do next to nothing to slow the spread.

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Oh it's slowed the spread, that's no in question. But there is zero way to lock everyone down all the time for 3 weeks. Police, healthcare, electricity people, and obviously people have to go to the grocery. Even if you limit it to that, that's not a lockdown. Italy went as far on a lockdown as possible, it didn't stop there.

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Originally Posted by Dawg2003

I have zero problem with opening it up like Sweden and just letting it burn through the population. However, I am in PPE at work and can stay home during the week. So it's unlikely I'll suffer the health consequences of opening up completely. I can watch from the window as other people get coronavirus, and we develop heard immunity. If other people want to be the sacrificial lambs, I won't stand in their way.

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Let's shut down Walmarts, grocery stores, restaurants, and food processing too. Why should they be "sacrificial lambs"?

ETA... we won't. We can't. Well I think we're at the point where we have to open up for the same reason, we have to

The case number isn't really the one that drives decision making. The numbers that matter are hospitalization numbers and ICU numbers. The hospitalization numbers have been trending up and show no sign of leveling off yet. The ICU numbers are steady.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

The case number isn't really the one that drives decision making. The numbers that matter are hospitalization numbers and ICU numbers. The hospitalization numbers have been trending up and show no sign of leveling off yet. The ICU numbers are steady.

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It is interesting to me that icu numbers have not risen and ventilator use has actually decreased, all while hospitalizations have risen sharply. Does that suggest that a treatment once hospitalized is working so as to avoid icu or ventilator use?

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Originally Posted by confucius say

It is interesting to me that icu numbers have not risen and ventilator use has actually decreased, all while hospitalizations have risen sharply. Does that suggest that a treatment once hospitalized is working so as to avoid icu or ventilator use?

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Or (here comes the conspiracy theory) the hospital wants the 20% premium for a hospitalization. I don't wanna believe our medical people would do this though.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

It is interesting to me that icu numbers have not risen and ventilator use has actually decreased, all while hospitalizations have risen sharply. Does that suggest that a treatment once hospitalized is working so as to avoid icu or ventilator use?

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Or hospitals are just admitting more people with less severe symptoms for treatment than before.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Or hospitals are just admitting more people with less severe symptoms for treatment than before.

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Possibly. Lot of hospitals were empty and laying people off

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Possibly. Lot of hospitals were empty and laying people off

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Correct. Empty beds and staff being laid off. Hopefully treatments of this are becoming more successful.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Let's shut down Walmarts, grocery stores, restaurants, and food processing too. Why should they be "sacrificial lambs"?

ETA... we won't. We can't. Well I think we're at the point where we have to open up for the same reason, we have to

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We don't really have a choice but to open it up IMO. We need 60-70% for herd immunity, so someone's got to take the fall. I personally am not willing to roll the dice, but, if others want to, I have no problem with that.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Or hospitals are just admitting more people with less severe symptoms for treatment than before.

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That's very unlikely because hospitals lose money doing that. Hospitals don't want to admit mamaw with pneumonia.

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Or hospitals are just admitting more people with less severe symptoms for treatment than before.

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That's very unlikely because hospitals lose money doing that. Hospitals don't want to admit mamaw with pneumonia.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

I still want answer from those who think nothing should open back up, when is it ok to open up? The county w the largest amount of positive is 1.2%. So we sit tight until when?? Our economy is going to be brutal. Might crash anyway. But if we lock down any longer I assure you we are toast. More people are going to die. I get it. But social distancing was never designed to stop the virus, nor deaths. Just slow it. That's been done. And yes w had the highest number of cases yesterday. Again I get it. Prior to that we've been flat for a while w some small ups and downs. I'll say this again, the economic crisis from this will be 100x greater than the virus itself....

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The Federal guidelines were a pretty good guide to knowing when to open things up, but nobody had the patience or the willpower to follow them. Hopefully the new state and local business regulations will be good enough to keep a new outbreak under reasonable control while still allowing some commerce to take place, but business owners are going to get tired of those too. We’ll just have to see how all this plays out.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Just keep printing that money. Grandkids may end up speaking Chinese, but whatever...

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Hell, it won't be our grandkids speaking Chinese it'll be hacker and dano ... If they don't already *

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Originally Posted by Dawg2003

That's very unlikely because hospitals lose money doing that. Hospitals don't want to admit mamaw with pneumonia.

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I'm talking about admitting postive covid patients with less severe symptoms than before, not just people off the street.

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Originally Posted by Dawg2003

That's very unlikely because hospitals lose money doing that. Hospitals don't want to admit mamaw with pneumonia.

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But if they admit mamaw as a covid patient they make money and get a 20% higher premium payment, no?

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Originally Posted by confucius say

But if they admit mamaw as a covid patient they make money and get a 20% higher premium payment, no?

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Exactly.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

It is interesting to me that icu numbers have not risen and ventilator use has actually decreased, all while hospitalizations have risen sharply. Does that suggest that a treatment once hospitalized is working so as to avoid icu or ventilator use?

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From what I am seeing most people- even the ones that go to the hospital don't have to be put on a vent. Most of the patients I'm seeing are either morbidly obese or elderly. I've had a couple of exceptions but the vast majority are in one of those two categories.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

But if they admit mamaw as a covid patient they make money and get a 20% higher premium payment, no?

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No because those types of patients drain the system. No one would admit that type of patient for the fun of it. It's expensive to take care of those types of patients. The hospital makes money from elective procedures and surgeries. If you come in for pneumonia, they are literally plotting how to get you out once you hit the door. Hospitals hate those types of patients.

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Originally Posted by Dawg2003

No because those types of patients drain the system. No one would admit that type of patient for the fun of it. It's expensive to take care of those types of patients. The hospital makes money from elective procedures and surgeries. If you come in for pneumonia, they are literally plotting how to get you out once you hit the door. Hospitals hate those types of patients.

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Got ya

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

I'm talking about admitting postive covid patients with less severe symptoms than before, not just people off the street.

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I just don't see that happening. For one, administrators would have a fit because they are usually trying to get rid of patients. Two, you're saying a physician is falsely admitting and keeping a patient on a lockdown unit away from family. I haven't seen any of that happening in my hospital. They are trying to discharge as many COVID patients as possible, so they can get back to elective surgeries.

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Originally Posted by Dawg2003

I just don't see that happening. For one, administrators would have a fit because they are usually trying to get rid of patients. Two, you're saying a physician is falsely admitting and keeping a patient on a lockdown unit away from family. I haven't seen any of that happening in my hospital. They are trying to discharge as many COVID patients as possible, so they can get back to elective surgeries.

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Hospital beds have been sitting empty. I can tell you for a fact hospital admins don't like empty beds period. Where did you hear me say falsely admitting? I said positive covid patients being admitted for treament, nothing false about that at all.

ETA I do agree with you during normal times that yes elective surgeries are the money makers but these haven't been normal times.

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Originally Posted by Joebob

The Federal guidelines were a pretty good guide to knowing when to open things up, but nobody had the patience or the willpower to follow them. Hopefully the new state and local business regulations will be good enough to keep a new outbreak under reasonable control while still allowing some commerce to take place, but business owners are going to get tired of those too. We?ll just have to see how all this plays out.

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The federal guidelines allowed for adjustment based on local conditions. If you're in NYC, yea, you probably need to see declining cases for two weeks before opening back up (although as long as you're running the subway, I'm not sure how much god locking down everything else does). IF you're in a place with empty hospitals and a small number of cases, there's no reason to spend another 3 or 4 weeks waiting to see declining cases while your hospitals sit empty.

What about the ongoing pissing match between Tate and the speaker, Gunn, and delbert about whether the gov or the legislature should have the say so where the 1.25 billion in federal funds is allocated (if that is discussable)? Thoughts?

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Hospital beds have been sitting empty. I can tell you for a fact hospital admins don't like empty beds period. Where did you hear me say falsely admitting? I said positive covid patients being admitted for treament, nothing false about that at all.

ETA I do agree with you during normal times that yes elective surgeries are the money makers but these haven't been normal times.

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As others have said, hospitals aren't admitting patients unless there is a need. If anything, they're pushing patients home to self-monitor and quarantine. Regardless of reimbursement level, it wouldn't be covering the cost of providing care.

Add to that if you live in an area where you have more than one hospital, do you think administrators want to be known in the community as having a high inpatient COVID population? How would that work when restrictions ease and elective surgeries begin? You think the general population is going to want to have that procedure in a place with a low or high COVID population? In my opinion, the hospitals do a great job of isolation so it wouldn't matter - but to those health illiterate - it will matter to them.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

What about the ongoing pissing match between Tate and the speaker, Gunn, and delbert about whether the gov or the legislature should have the say so where the 1.25 billion in federal funds is allocated (if that is discussable)? Thoughts?

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It's just like disaster money that comes to the state from the federal goverment. I believe the Governor controls it.

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

As others have said, hospitals aren't admitting patients unless there is a need. If anything, they're pushing patients home to self-monitor and quarantine. Regardless of reimbursement level, it wouldn't be covering the cost of providing care.

Add to that if you live in an area where you have more than one hospital, do you think administrators want to be known in the community as having a high inpatient COVID population? How would that work when restrictions ease and elective surgeries begin? You think the general population is going to want to have that procedure in a place with a low or high COVID population? In my opinion, the hospitals do a great job of isolation so it wouldn't matter - but to those health illiterate - it will matter to them.

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Is NY going to get hammered? All those Seniors dying in Nursing homes with all those hospital beds empty.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

It's just like disaster money that comes to the state from the federal goverment. I believe the Governor controls it.

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I tend to agree. As does the law. That is why the legislature convened today, after sitting on their collective asses for 7 weeks as non-essential workers, to try and change a decades old law that gives the gov the power in these situations. I'm no Tate fan, but what the legislature tried to do today after cowering in the corner like puss**s for the last 7 weeks is sickening.

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Originally Posted by confucius say

I tend to agree. As does the law. That is why the legislature convened today, after sitting on their collective asses for 7 weeks as non-essential workers, to try and change a decades old law that gives the gov the power in these situations. I'm no Tate fan, but what the legislature tried to do today after cowering in the corner like puss**s for the last 7 weeks is sickening.

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1.8 billion is a lot of money for Mississippi. Tax revenue is going to bed own this year and it is going to put a squeeze on next years budget. I guess they are just looking ahead but I really believe it is and was intended for the virus disaster.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

Is NY going to get hammered? All those Seniors dying in Nursing homes with all those hospital beds empty.

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I don't know about NY, but if a nursing home resident gets sick enough - they're headed to the hospital. The nursing homes aren't equipped to provide the level of care. As of today, nursing homes in Georgia have reported 3,457 cases of the virus - with 511 deaths.

While this shows a 14.7% death rate for those infected, I don't know how many total are in a nursing home within the state.

https://dch.georgia.gov/announcement...ovid-19-report

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Originally Posted by Gutter Cobreh

I don't know about NY, but if a nursing home resident gets sick enough - they're headed to the hospital. The nursing homes aren't equipped to provide the level of care. As of today, nursing homes in Georgia have reported 3,457 cases of the virus - with 511 deaths.

While this shows a 14.7% death rate for those infected, I don't know how many total are in a nursing home within the state.

https://dch.georgia.gov/announcement...ovid-19-report

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I saw a report that 13% of NY death took place in Nursing home.