I don't think he really wanted to come back to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
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I don't think he really wanted to come back to be honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I haven?t seen anyone praising the new kid. His physical attributes are certainly better than MVB though. You can just look at the size. You can?t coach that. MVB was an okay QB. That?s all. His end of year problems were the same as the ones against Texas. Honestly, he looked worse at the end of the year than he did against Texas and Georgia. That was an issue. His stats are relatively pedestrian and he?s sitting the bench somewhere else because of it. He was not starting when Shapen decided to come back.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
I feel comfortable saying demand price and starter demand were both issues and play a part in why he is no longer here. Are we paying Shapen or Kromenhoek $1.5 million? I don't know, but I suspect we aren't.
John Bond didn't face a schedule like MVBQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
In the aggregate, yes. Is either one making that alone? No. And from almost anyone I have talked to about it, the starter demand was the one that we never budged on. The money could have been worked out. But the starter demand would have caused us to lose Shapen, we definitely would not have Kromenhoek, and we would be trying to find a G5 guy who just wanted to be a backup.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
And John bond was 44 years ago so.....Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
To update a little on DB:
Taking what I have read from Robertson and Jones, as well as talking to a couple of people, I think we are probably done at DB until the spring portal period unless someone from a semi final team jumps, which is not out of the realm of possibility. I think Coleman feels like we probably can hang tight and see what we look like we what we got and then go see what is out there in the spring portal. I think this spring portal period will he a lot busier than years past.
This season, under the supposedly struggling Lebby, we had 2871 yards passing. 900+ of that was from Shapen in his 4 games.
This is only the EIGHTH time in HISTORY, that MSU has eclipsed 2800 yards passing in a season.
I cannot wait to see what he can do with an experienced QB and having a defense that allows his offense to possess the ball more than 25 minutes per game.
So what does our two deep look like going into the spring? We need 4 that can play. Kelly jones, brumfield and who else?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Dwight Lewis, Jayden Williams, and Amarien Jefferson.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigbub50
The WR room is better than the CB. Neither is strong, one is straight up bad.
I mean how did it get worse? Brice Pollock was not Emmanuel Forbes or Martin Emerson. It is about the same. That is not to say it is great or anything. But we did not go from average to awful because we lost Pollock. We were below average before and we are probably below average or slightly better now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Honestly, the actual grading of our DB's was better than fan perception because we had so few pressures.
We have Kelly Jones who I thought was solid. We can see what we have with the current group in the spring and if we need to add a CB we can get one in the spring portal.
I think Pollack had a chance to be a draft pick. I'm not saying a first rounder or anything, but the kid had talent and he was performing well, even without our DL getting pressure. I think we have improved a lot on defense, but corner is not one of those spots, at least on paper. Maybe the Lewis kid blows up. No clue. We need two corners from P4 programs to hit the portal and we need them both. If the goal is to get to 6 wins, we need two solid corners from the portal. Just my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Wasn't Pollock graded Top 10 in the SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Do we know anything about how Evans visit has gone?
He's visiting Georgia so we probably aren't getting him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck3124
Evans is the UGA transfer. And the visit is going well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I think you might mean GraceQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I may have missed it, but what happened with us and Coats? I think I saw he was down to WVU and Ole Miss.
Yes I meant Grace.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
We lost Crisler to Colorado, who doesn't even have an OL coach. Major whiff there
Grace may be even better than I thought if UGA is actually interested in him.
Is he more of a guard? We need a tackle.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
I think you are correct.
The guy lost his starting job this year, it wasn't a major missQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
It's deeper for sure but starters aren't what we need. When Jones is the top guy and he struggled, then you get a Keennesaw and NAIA guy? That's pretty rough and easily the worst looking CB room in the SEC. We signed bodies.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
People don't want to hear it but this isn't a quick fix. We can't fill every spot we need with good players, we have to fill them with the best we can get. That's on the coaching staff to figure out who is willing to come to this rebuild too. Like I said before this started, top guys don't want to go to a 2-10 team rebuilding. We better find a way to win 6 games if we want to change opinions and we better hit on a lot of the guys we have to reach on. Got to improve recruiting but it's hard if you don't win games. With all these street agents running things, recruiting is going to be difficult for us.
It's not a quick fix to go from 2 to 10. It is a quick fix to go from 2 to 5-6 though. Fact of the matter is, we had a roster last year that had multiple guys playing, and in some cases starting, that could not start for a G5 team, much less another P4 team. We have remedied that through losing guys and adding some really solid pieces. Depth will still be an issue at some positions in the fall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Correct. No 2-10 team is signing a bunch of proven P4 guys.
We have to hit on some under the radar guys and get to 5-6 wins next year.
That will get you in the game for a little better players to get to 7 wins. Then you can aim higher.
Just an update on where things stand as far as WRs.
I feel cautiously optimistic by what I've heard on Evans
It's just a matter of time with Williams.
The staff would not turn down another WR if the right one was to present itself.
We look to be signing lots of bodies. The more we have added recently, the more the class ranking in the portal has dropped as it is now number 8. Take out a few and the average of most of these guys is probably about .85. Look to be hoping that many of these guys make a jump, many from lessor programs. Time will tell.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
they would be the best 2 if we get themQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Well.......then you're going to be real happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
He's a combo guard / tackleQuote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
He never came on a visit and wasn't going to get an offer unless he didQuote:
Originally Posted by FlytheW3
What is Slash dancing about as of 10 minutes ago?
My guess is one of the WRs. I would have preferred Ray, but at this point we need some players that have potential. Both Ayden and Evans have potential. At this point, I'd rather that than a low production WR from the MAC.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyDog
It's sounding like Ayden Williams and Anthony Evans are in the boat.