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I'm somewhat convinced the current tests are average at best anyway. There's about a 10% positive rate out of all the test performed. That just doesn't compute to me if people getting tested have a lot of the symptoms. Unless there is some other virus floating around.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
They're wasting tests on pets. Think about that...
My dad is in a nursing home. We questioned the home about the testing of workers. Said they didn't have enough tests to regularly test them.
But Mary Ann in NY got her 17ing Pug tested.
there is no way they are going to be able to do the testing they want. Factories just can't manufacture. The most they can is 1 million a month. That what was said the other day at that rate it would be 340 months just to test every american just once. This is all bull shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
$150 is worth more than a life it seems.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
https://www.turnto23.com/news/corona...n-from-youtube
Bakersfield doctors Dan Erickson and Artin Massihi are now in the spotlight on the national stage, following their comments made about shelter-in-place orders that have been seen across the country.
23ABC News aired their press conference Wednesday, which has garnered over 5 million views on YouTube, before the media company removed it, stating "inappropriate content" a reason.
In the video, Erickson and Massihi state that healthy people don't need to shelter-in-place anymore based on data they extrapolated from Kern County's COVID-19 testing.
The video gained recognition from Tesla CEO Elon Musk, who tweeted 23ABC's video of the doctors, stating "docs make a good post."
On Monday, Erickson told 23ABC News that he was not expecting national attention and shared his thoughts Musk's shout-out.
"To have someone that in my opinion is brilliant and one of the top minds in the country and in the world give you some affirmation is powerful," Erickson said.
But, not all the feedback has been in favor of Erkcson's viewpoints, including New York emergency physician Stuart Weiss.
"The reason why I think it's dangerous is because they are advocating that we should be quickly lifting social distancing and that's just not correct. While the virus is still out there, here in New York state we're still seeing hundreds of people lose their lives," Weiss said Monday.
Other emergency physician's like Palm Springs M.D. Lawrence Heiskell support Erickson's view that people with compromised immune systems should be quarantining, but healthy people should not.
"Quarantine by definition is to sequester people who are sick. You don't quarantine well people. You let them be exposed in the general public so they can acquire immunity."
Erickson says he has scheduled meetings with various California senators to discuss his data and beliefs on Tuesday.
https://www.turnto23.com/news/local-...place-comments
Good points here.
Okay to go to COSTCO but not Church, okay to got to Home Depot but not work.
If you are young and healthy why quarantine, if you are old and sick stay home.
Isolate the sick, not the healthy.
Herd immunity is needed, don't shut down the economy.
Been saying it for two weeks. Over 50 or underlying conditions shelter. Everybody else, Time to roll!Quote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
I saw on report that it is not so much age. It is more with health. It did say that was a problem because there is a large portion of the population that are pre diabetic and don't know it. I agree isolate the sick and old and everyone else go to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
Yep. I'm 55 and haven't missed a day of work since this all started. I'm fortunate that I'm healthy and in fairly good shape. Any one with underlying health conditions(whatever they may be) and the elderly do need to be cautious.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
I'm 55 and I have not missed a day of work and I have no fear. I am in really good health and really good shape. I have a really nice home gym in my garage, I lift weights five day a week and I walk 3 miles six nights a week with my wife.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
They don't use the same labs. Vets have their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
They can check it through blood now. I suspect that is what he did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
The difference is at work, church, funerals, bars, nursing homes, house parties, etc you are in prolonged close contact. That is still the main transmission mode. The stuff I've seen is that most cases are found in clusters related to those kind of things. Not all, but most.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
You telling me Jesus can't hit a curveball?Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
When you’re at Costco, you’re not sitting next to somebody for an hour. When you’re at Home Depot, you’re not in close proximity to somebody for 8 to 10 hours. When you’re quarantining, you still have to go get groceries. You still have to go to the doctor. You’re still exposed to your family members who are working. Letting everyone go back to work, especially in big cities, is putting at least a quarter of the population at extreme risk after the virus starts spreading again, and it might just be yourself that’s at more risk than you realize. At some point we’re going to have to stick our necks out and take some more risk because we can’t keep everything shut down forever, but thinking it’s just as simple as the at-risk people staying home is a recipe for disaster.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
Exactly...and herd immunity may not be possible. It doesn't happen with most of the other coronaviruses out there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joebob
Tyson was shutting down plants for liability reason? John Tyson made it sound like he was doing it for his employees health. I figured it was both. Trump is signing executive order forcing John Tyson to reopen plants and the US goverment is assuming all liability and giving them extra protective equipment. I am guessing they will be doing a lot of testing in those plants.
Geez Jack don't ruin the curve for the rest of us lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
They said that exercise is the best defense if you contract the virus. I lifted weight anyways but the walking started five weeks ago. Oh yeah I'm 230 pounds and have a 36 inch waist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
"At some point we're going to have to stick our necks out and take some more risk".............When, in your opinion, is the more risk ok??Quote:
Originally Posted by Joebob
Sweden is looking pretty damn good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Joebob
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ty/3031536001/
I saw an interview where a families and their dogs are being tested in the same places. So it's not always the case. And it's still a waste of a test.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Sweden's per capita death rate is way higher than their neighbors. It's even higher than ours.Quote:
Originally Posted by fishwater99
since you can't use a vet test on a human how so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Ahhh, Je'sus. I like heem very much but he no hit curveball. And it is very bad to take Jobu's rum ... VERY BAD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
He done ruint it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
But we and their neighbors shut down. Not really fair to compare them to us right now. Compare the numbers once we open back up a monthQuote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
They are banking on something we have no evidence at all that is even possible....NONE. Also, they have done a lot more than you think. Internal travel is all but banned from Stockholm to the rest of the coiuntry.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Well if there's no herd immunity we all screwed anywayQuote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
Only if every time we hear corona and we climb in a hole we are..... otherwise, some will die, no doubt, but it's not going to wipe out the country. But maybe you left off the ***Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Yeah he did!!! LolQuote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Here's the percentage of population that have NOT died with COVID
Belgium 99.944%
Spain: 99.956%
Italy: 99.957%
France 99.965%
UK 99.972%
NL 99.975%
Sweden 99.980%
So you're saying there's a chance?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Schultzy
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
You have to contact trace.
You see who the positive tests have come in contact with, for more than 5 minutes, and test them too. And so on.
Then you isolate the positive people.
If you were negative, and were not in contact with anyone that had it, you don't need to be tested again.
To be fair, everyone is banking at least a little on things we don't have evidence for. No one knows what the best plan truly is. I'm extremely interested to see where things stand once a year or two from now because only then will we really know what the best plan was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg
The three big questions to me, which no one really knows the answer to, are:
1) Are those who get the virus then immune to getting it again, even for a limited period?
2) Will we reach herd immunity by the time a vaccine is available even with quarantining in place? If so, Sweden's approach seems better. If not, it may not be.
3) Will the economic struggles that these measures introduce worth the lives lost? The instinct is to say that it isn't worth it at all, but you have to remember that economic struggles lead to deaths as well.
There is no clear strategy. I'm glad someone is doing something different simply so we can see what has worked better.
There is no one play book for this. My play book is isolate those who are at risk and open everything up and let it play out. Those who are at risk and still need to work I say let the goverment help them out financially.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
I think isolating those at risk is definitely a smart way to go...but I don't think you can open everything up entirely outside of that. That actually does put those isolating at risk...because they can't isolate entirely. They still have to get food and other things delivered at the very least, which does bring risk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Also, building up herd immunity only via the healthy doesn't work because once those most at risk begin to come out, they will be completely susceptible.
And lastly, everyone is at risk. Certainly there are groups that are at much greater risk...but this disease is making even young, healthy people very, very sick and killing them in some cases. At the very least, you still end up with the overburdened hospitals in that case with everything fully open.
I think the best options are a full and total shutdown for about a month, or something like Sweden is doing.
Just my opinion now but I think there is still a lot not known and I think the goverment is assuming the worse case scenario and acting based on that. I think it is really contagious but I don't believe it is as deadly as they are making it out to be. I think it has been in the United State a lot longer than we know and it is more widespread than we know. We can thank the W.H.O and China for that. If we knew all that really went on in China we would probably be way more ahead than we are now. But personally I don't think it is as deadly that they are assuming. I just think isolate and go back to work. I am not piss at the goverment they are acting on info they were giving but i think in hindsight in a few years we will look back and say the complete shut down was a mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Contact tracing only works when there area very limited amount of cases. That ship has already sailed. It will come back into port when the case number is reduced by a LOT. It's hard to do with a highly contagious airborne virus.Quote:
Originally Posted by SheltonChoked