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Cowbell gets it.
Well see... the very first play in the is video, once again, was air raid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Once again, the OC met with Rogers to go over what he felt would work. Rogers has never been the problem. With Leach, it was a lack of being able or willing gto run it enough to make a defense play us differently.
The proof is in the pudding. The ol that is very seasoned is not grasping his blocking schemes or he is horrible at implementing it.
And tonight you are going to see that ol getting any qb behind it killed unless in the past 6 days they suddenly clicked.
Look, we can all argue over a lot of things here, but no damn body can argue our talent isnt way down. Leach and that staff didn't recruit us anything but WRs and a couple DBs and/or hasn't developed much talent. We lose a lot of guys this year and we don't have players on the roster to fill those spots.
Every offense in college football not named Navy runs Air Raid passing playsQuote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
agree. Something I have wondered is how much interference did CZA have in recruiting, from Emerick and that group. Did they cause CZA to lose on anyone? If not, then we basically hired the guy as HC that has been recruiting this defense the past 3 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
We do seem to have some young talented defensive players though.
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Originally Posted by Leroy Jenkins
He 100 percent has pulled some levers. Hate to tell youQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
34 defending his home boy **Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
That South Carolina defense is really good. Held UT to 14 points in the first quarter ***
Isn't Tenn averaging 35 per game? It's not like they are playing a weak offenseQuote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
They scored 16 against Florida and 30 against Austin Peay......yeah explosive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Looks like air raid plays tonight
yeahhhhh- that zone read TD had Leach's prints all over it. We are running Barbay's O and it's beautiful. Best we have looked vs Bama since 1997
Guess you forgot ?17?speaking of your boy?s defense still isn?t getting it done. Who was in charge of recruiting and developing safeties, LBs, and DL? The DC who is now HC that still has everyone minus Phelps (whom we let go so the great recruiter Turner could clean up the state..how?s that going?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Looking at our team- did Phelps really recruit well? Really? Turner just got the job- his recruiting begins this signing periodQuote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
He got a job in January. He doesn?t have anyone other than a development kid and Hibbler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Phelps did land Trevion Williams and Dinkins though who will be good.
You need to tell your boy Brad, or is it flamed out Steve Campbell, to tell Arnett to start working on some tackling drills?
Did our safety coach and LB coach recruit well too?? Because this is the worse we?ve looked against these guys since ?03?we?re making this Bama offense look good and they aren?t.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
It was Rogers that put us down there. And Barbay needs to be firedQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
We look bad overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
The O is looking good other than Rogers.
agree- Rogers is holding back the offenseQuote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
Barbay was not the problem tonight unless you count not making a change when Will cost us the game the first half.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Yes he was the problem. He reduced the AR concepts, demanded we run 11 and 12 personnel when you, me, and not 1 damn poster will ever claim we have TEs that can get done what he is trying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
The OL is still confused on it. We wasted a season by a bad hire.
This! And Arnett listened to good ole boys. It actually comes through on this site at times also.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
No you are being blinded by your agenda. Personnel was completely irrelevant when we actually had enough going to have this a 1 score game going into the half if not tied. I've defended Will a lot, but this crap was on him tonight.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
We scored more than the air raid ever did. Just shut up.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Correct. Will was bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
and our offense is ranked 12th in the SEC in most categories. It's not good. Will isn't good either. It all needs to be blown upQuote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Blown up and demolished. We made some very bad decisions in the athletic departmentQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Probably but it gets tiring for the AR cultist to blast this offense 5 games in when they preached patience for Leach to get his 6 plays established even going into year 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
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Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Yeah. the Air Raid was hard to watch. I suspect a better QB makes it better too, but when they didn't recruit much other than WRs that doesn't matter. The disgustingly poor recruiting/development is far worse than what Croom did to us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
That was mostly because of Leach's career track record. Which buys a coach time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
This staff returned a bunch of seniors and a lot of talent at skill positions and an experienced offensive line.
I thought the signing of Parson was a big sign of where the AR was headed at MSU. A big arm, and mobile also. We did seem to go big game hunting in QB recruiting. And to start adding some of the running game. I felt we were headed to a modified AR like other AR coaches have, which would have been perfect for MSU to offset the talent of other SEC schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Dave Emerick seemed to have done more bad for us than any one person, from what I gathered.
But Arnett has had 4 years to establish his own defense, since Leach allowed him to do whatever.
I think it is more of watching games this season with CZA listening to a HS coach every 90 seconds through the game, and looking lost. And that we were starting to recruit QB's and skill players for this offense as a group, that we had never had at MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
And the fact that some buddies were hired because of it. Just more of the good ole boy crap.
Calling fans of the AR as cultist is much, but I saw that offense run for years living in TX, and it neutralizes more talented teams.
MSU needs that in some way, but it just seemed very stupid of Arnett and those in his ear to go 180 and scrap it when they had all the upper classmen that only knew that system.
The other thing, I am wondering is MS High Schools, compared to TX HS and other states, is in the dark ages of running offenses. It seems even on here that HS coaches in MS are clinging to the wing T.
The QBs in junior high in TX go in the summer for coaching clinics from Heisman winners, and former NFL QBs. They learn to study film in junior high, at a complex level.
I wasn't talking about you. It's the few cultist that spam the board and are being hypocritical with their views at times. I loved Leach and have defended him and Will over the years but also called them out when they were not working. My biggest fear was the old AR just wasn't going to work in this league to the same level as it did out west, too much defensive talent and better defensive coaching. I understand Leach would be hard to change what had been successful for him in the past but it had to update. Very slowly it was beginning to evolve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
The other stuff you are posting, I don't get caught up in that because we get too laser focused on our team and try to decipher the problems looking at auxiliary stuff that are not an issue. Coaches, very successful coaches all across the country have people on the sidelines or on the head set talking with them a lot as well. Sonny Dykes and Dan Lemming are 2 but we are not focused on them. If we were winning it wouldn't have been brought on here either. It's like marriage troubles, people focus and fight about auxiliary stuff as an issue and not the actual problems.
As far as TX HS, we don't play in that league and they don't run the pure AR either. They also run a lot of veer and shoot. They are very polished and developed but it's an issue recruiting some of the players because of it. They can be over ranked because they have peaked or close to peak before they get to college. Not all, but you have to make sure that they have more to develop into.
You have so many small rural schools here, many with great athletes but not the numbers. Usually with undersized lineman. It boils down to playing my best athlete at QB and running what he can run and utilize his abilities to be competitive. He may not can throw well but can run like a deer. So you do see a lot of old school veer and wing T stuff run.
TX players? That why Texas has been so damn mediocre for a long time and why we routinely beat A&M? Texas just has larger numbers.
There may be 1 team a year a team plays in HS in Mississippi that gets under center. A bigger problem I see is basketball coaches talking the 6'3/6'4 WR types Texas has into just playing basketball so they dont "get hurt" and lose their NBA dreams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
Emerick was awful. The two that followed were equally as bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
All great points.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
I liked the AR because it seemed we might have an offense that neutralizes the talent deficiency in the SEC. I wonder how it would have looked in a couple of years with Parson, the the others coming in. Rogers had talent issues, and at times I wonder how much drop 8 would occur with a QB that could just grab 5 yards and slide, and also modify for some run plays.
I think at MSU we really need a good system, that is an equalizer. That was one for years. It seems to me Leach knew the he needed his QBs in the system, and perhaps needed to milk the clock due to his defense .
It would have looked different with a QB who is more aggressive at pushing the ball down the field more. Even Leach wanted Will to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Santiago
We also needed better slot receivers instead of possession types like Austin Williams and Rufus Harvey. We needed some guys that could make people miss in space.
We had a better slot WR on the team playing out of position by CML. I understand what he was going for but he didn't see it the way you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State