OC Hot Board Version 3-Let's Try This Again

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

You think it wasn?t feasible for him to already be back channeling the OC hire in the last month? Lol. He could?ve easily been doing that. But no. He waited. And go left at the alter. It?s the same crap Keenum did with the AD hire. Delay delay delay and then get caught with your pants down.

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Wrong

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Originally Posted by PikeDawg15

If Mike leach , who has called plays for 30+ years and had been a head coach for over 20 , couldn?t get this offense to scoring points on good sec defenses.

What the hell do you think his Offensive Line coach would do?

Give me a break.

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Look at both of Leach's stops before MSU. It took him 2 or 3 years to get rolling. In my opinion, he was just on the verge with the players he was developing in the system. It's a shame you can't develop a program anymore because fans have to have instant results against teams with more money and better recruiting.

It's a shame MSU looks to be dismantling what Leach was building.

Oh well.........

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Well you go from a 30th ranked class, which was actually ranked 24th I think, to 130th. We were in a no win situation and whether he had an AD or not we still would've been in a no win situation. We did the best thing we could do at that moment. Now to your second point, some of the boosters are running the program if I had to guess. Look no further than Brad Peterson being installed as the new COS. Again, I'll hold judgement on the OC until one is hired, because we look we did take a big swing. We missed, but we took a big swing instead of just hiring the safe candidate from the jump. That tells me that Arnett isn't scared to take some risks.

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And why some folks on here can't grasp this is beyond me. This program dodged a nuke by making Arnett head coach. We would have lost half our recruits and 20+ players would have jumped in the portal. At that point no matter who we hired - ****ing Urban Meyer even - would have had a massive rebuild on their hands. And all the while the Cyber Coaches around here who have never lost a game in their version of reality would have been tearing him down, just like Leach, because we did exactly what they wanted.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I may be wrong- I just dont see any way Hatcher becomes an Asst after 22 years of being a HC

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He probably makes less than $200k at Samford? If we low ball him we'll triple his salary. I'm sure it's nice being head coach, but it's not like he's been at Samford 22 years. He's been there five. If it doesn't work as OC, he can make three times as much money for two years and then go get another head coaching job at a lower level with an extra half a million in the bank.

Is it a coincidence that Memphis went down in scoring from 2019-2021 every year from the previous, and then jumped up 5.2 ppg this season after Johns left.

To be fair, Duke was up considerably this season from last in ppg

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

He probably makes less than $200k at Samford? If we low ball him we'll triple his salary. I'm sure it's nice being head coach, but it's not like he's been at Samford 22 years. He's been there five. If it doesn't work as OC, he can make three times as much money for two years and then go get another head coaching job at a lower level with an extra half a million in the bank.

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His base is around $250,000 with incentives it pushes his salary to around $450,000

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Look at his whole body of work not just last year. At Memphis his first year his QB ran the ball 61 times for -71 27 of those were sacks for 170 yards. While it's there in his system he doesn't have to call on the QB to do a lot of running if the ability is not there. Most of his offenses the RB get the vast majority of the carries. But he does adapt.

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Johns should be the call. I just have my doubts Arnett is even looking at him.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Is it a coincidence that Memphis went down in scoring from 2019-2021 every year from the previous, and then jumped up 5.2 ppg this season after Johns left.

To be fair, Duke was up considerably this season from last in ppg

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Where did they rank each year at Memphis? And did it go down much? And where did Memphis rank year 15-18. Lot of factors involved to because Memphis has been pretty good on O for a while now if I recall(or have had some good years).

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Originally Posted by TorpedoIPA

Look at both of Leach's stops before MSU. It took him 2 or 3 years to get rolling. In my opinion, he was just on the verge with the players he was developing in the system. It's a shame you can't develop a program anymore because fans have to have instant results against teams with more money and better recruiting.

It's a shame MSU looks to be dismantling what Leach was building.

Oh well.........

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Did you miss the part where Leach passed away? It was kind of a big deal, so I'm surprised you missed it. We lost our more or less one of a kind head coach and offensive coordinator. It's not like we said screw it let's start over.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

His base is around $250,000 with incentives it pushes his salary to around $450,000

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I wouldnt leave a head job making 400K for an OC job to make $1MM

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Originally Posted by Bdawg

Where did they rank each year at Memphis? And did it go down much? And where did Memphis rank year 15-18. Lot of factors involved to because Memphis has been pretty good on O for a while now if I recall(or have had some good years).

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The Memphis deal is a little hard because he was there during Norval's last year and transitioned with the new staff at Memphis. They lost some players during that time including a 1500 yard freshman running back

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Originally Posted by Bdawg

Where did they rank each year at Memphis? And did it go down much?

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2018 - 42.9
2019 - 40.4 (-5.8%)
2020 - 31.0 (-23.3%)
2021 - 30.1 (-1.9%)
2022 - 35.3 (+16.1%)

John's' years are 2019-2021.

His first year to last year saw a 25.5% drop in ppg.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

His base is around $250,000 with incentives it pushes his salary to around $450,000

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WEll shit. I didn't realize FCS schools were paying that much. That's surprising to me.

Still not sure that's at a level where if we offer him $800k guaranteed he scoffs at it. But certainly if FCS coaches have better longevity and he can wants some stability, that's a good salary and not crazy to think he would rather have some stability and a longer term contract rather than an extra couple of hundred k after taxes for two years and then have to move to whereever the job is.

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Originally Posted by TorpedoIPA

Look at both of Leach's stops before MSU. It took him 2 or 3 years to get rolling. In my opinion, he was just on the verge with the players he was developing in the system. It's a shame you can't develop a program anymore because fans have to have instant results against teams with more money and better recruiting.

It's a shame MSU looks to be dismantling what Leach was building.

Oh well.........

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Good lord.

Dramatic? lulz

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Did you miss the part where Leach passed away? It was kind of a big deal, so I'm surprised you missed it. We lost our more or less one of a kind head coach and offensive coordinator. It's not like we said screw it let's start over.

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I don't know. But letting all the offensive coaches go and the QBs that hit the portal hint that it may be the case on offense.

Throw 2.5 million at Cortez Hankton and let's roll baby

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Originally Posted by msstate7

2018 - 42.9
2019 - 40.4 (-5.8%)
2020 - 31.0 (-23.3%)
2021 - 30.1 (-1.9%)
2022 - 35.3 (+16.1%)

John's' years are 2019-2021.

His first year to last year saw a 25.5% drop in ppg.

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That was during when Mike left Memphis (2019) and Memphis lost players during the transition including their leading freshman rusher, 1500 yards

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

Throw 2.5 million at Cortez Hankton and let's roll baby

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No way, $1-1.25 MIL tops if you think he's ready to call plays because he's never done it but he is making $850,000 at LSU.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

2018 - 42.9
2019 - 40.4 (-5.8%)
2020 - 31.0 (-23.3%)
2021 - 30.1 (-1.9%)
2022 - 35.3 (+16.1%)

John's' years are 2019-2021.

His first year to last year saw a 25.5% drop in ppg.

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Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

That was during when Mike left Memphis (2019) and Memphis lost players during the transition including their leading freshman rusher, 1500 yards

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Yep. Always some factors involved in most situations. Seems he steadied the ship and went up his last year.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I wouldnt leave a head job making 400K for an OC job to make $1MM

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Assuming a 2 year guaranteed deal for OC, that's an extra $696k after taxes. That's nothing to sneeze at. Now if you have kids in Jr High/high school range, then stability is pretty important. If you are at a spot where you can realistically coach for another 15 years with some security (I have no clue how common that would be at FCS), then that's a lot to give up if you think failure at the OC job is going to leave you working your way back up the ranks of FCS. Making an extra $700k for two years and then having to make $150k instead of $400k for 4 years while you move around is not a great deal.

Plus there is the question of how ambitious he is. Yes, he could end up looking for another job, or he could end up doing well and be in a position to get a FBS head coaching gig that makes him and his family wealthy. Really going to depend on his mindset and what he values.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I wouldnt leave a head job making 400K for an OC job to make $1MM

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I'd be up and outta there and take the $1M and it's not just the pay increase, it's the chance to parlay that into a higher paying HC position somewhere in a couple years. If you believe in yourself you make this move and if you don't believe in yourself like that you shouldn't be here anyway.

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Originally Posted by mo7888

I'd be up and outta there and take the $1M and it's not just the pay increase, it's the chance to parlay that into a higher paying HC position somewhere in a couple years. If you believe in yourself you make this move and if you don't believe in yourself like that you shouldn't be here anyway.

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I think with Hatcher though getting a FBS HC job would still be difficult because he has a 20 year track record in FCS and multiple stops were not successful. Until this year his last 4 were below .500 at Samford. Doesn't disqualify him as an OC candidate but taken our job with an idea of becoming a FBS HC is extremely unlikely.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Alright I think I have the list updated with all the candidates that have been mentioned. I'll add more as they come along. I don't know how realistic some of the ones recently mentioned are. I probably shouldn't have added Korn, but Liberty is small enough we could pull him from. Harrell isn't added because I doubt we could pull him from Purdue. Same with Arbuckle at Washington St. Just because we can afford to do it doesn't mean we need to get in a bidding war over some of these guys.

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Heck we pulled CZA from Syracuse

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

SVS-just for S&Gs?what?s Mark Hudspeth and/or Angelo Mirando up to now? Hudspeth,Bump, BP..getting the band back together

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Lol, I was wondering when Hudspeth's name would pop up.

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Originally Posted by ZedFedder

Y?all are insane.

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THIS.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I think with Hatcher though getting a FBS HC job would still be difficult because he has a 20 year track record in FCS and multiple stops were not successful. Until this year his last 4 were below .500 at Samford. Doesn't disqualify him as an OC candidate but taken our job with an idea of becoming a FBS HC is extremely unlikely.

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It's amazing how successful as an OC on the FBS collegiate level makes boosters/AD'S focus on the recent Shiney thing instead of the past....they convince themselves that said coordinator has grown...learned etc.... it's his best chance to get an FBS HC job.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

No way, $1-1.25 MIL tops if you think he's ready to call plays because he's never done it but he is making $850,000 at LSU.

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Should have done sarcasterics. He's the sex party coach

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

Should have done sarcasterics. He's the sex party coach

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Lol. You're right! I completely forgot. Recruiting would be lit!

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Originally Posted by msstate7

2018 - 42.9
2019 - 40.4 (-5.8%)
2020 - 31.0 (-23.3%)
2021 - 30.1 (-1.9%)
2022 - 35.3 (+16.1%)

John's' years are 2019-2021.

His first year to last year saw a 25.5% drop in ppg.

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The total scoring year-to-year isn't quite apples-to-apples, but your point about the less-than-stellar trend is right on. Here are Memphis' national ranks in points per drive for those years:

2018 - 11th
2019 - 7th
2020 - 55th
2021 - 51st

I'm similarly underwhelmed by his stint at Indiana. He was "co-OC" there for his first three years. In '11, he was co-OC with Rod Smith. Smith left, so they brought in Littrell to be the other "co-OC" in '12 and '13. Then Littrell left and Johns was the sole OC in'14, '15, and '16. Here are Indiana's national ranks in points-per-drive during that time:

2011 - Johns and Smith - 105th
2012 - Johns and Littrell - 45th
2013 - Johns and Littrell - 25th
2014 - Johns - 99th
2015 - Johns - 35th
2016 - Johns - 104th

Also, in 2017, when he took over OC at Western Michigan after PJ Fleck's departure, the offense dropped off considerably. Maybe not a fair gauge given the staff change, but still.

Why not visit Washington state again and take arbuckle? If anyone understands leaving a job you just took, it's arnett

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Originally Posted by Prediction? Pain.

The total scoring year-to-year isn't quite apples-to-apples, but your point about the less-than-stellar trend is right on. Here are Memphis' national ranks in points per drive for those years:

2018 - 11th
2019 - 7th
2020 - 55th
2021 - 51st

I'm similarly underwhelmed by his stint at Indiana. He was "co-OC" there for his first three years. In '11, he was co-OC with Rod Smith. Smith left, so they brought in Littrell to be the other "co-OC" in '12 and '13. Then Littrell left and Johns was the sole OC in'14, '15, and '16. Here are Indiana's national ranks in points-per-drive during that time:

2011 - Johns and Smith - 105th
2012 - Johns and Littrell - 45th
2013 - Johns and Littrell - 25th
2014 - Johns - 99th
2015 - Johns - 35th
2016 - Johns - 104th

Also, in 2017, when he took over OC at Western Michigan after PJ Fleck's departure, the offense dropped off considerably. Maybe not a fair gauge given the staff change, but still.

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I think you have consider the Norvall transition at Memphis as well. He stayed through that. 2020 Covid year and their 1500 yard RB doesn't play. His numbers at Texas Tech was really good even though it was with a HC on his last legs.

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Originally Posted by PikeDawg15

Idk why so many people on here are against paying top dollar for a proven OC

Ole miss is paying 9 million for a head coach
LSU 9.5
A&M 9
Alabama 12 or so
Auburn 6.5

Etc etc

We have a first time head coach that we promoted that we are giving him a chance that he would not have had anywhere else to be a sec head coach

We are paying him 3 million

If we are going to compete we are going to have to get him some help by bringing in a proven OC that can handle the offense , you will have to pay 2 million or above to get that and that would be fine because Zach will earn his money as a head coach if he does good he will be given annual raises

Even then that does not come anywhere near 9 million

I?m tired of the poor ole Mississippi state mindset

I like Zach and think he?s going to do great but shit.

Also anyone that thinks promoting Mason miller to OC is mentally retarded.

If Mike leach , who has called plays for 30+ years and had been a head coach for over 20 , couldn?t get this offense to scoring points on good sec defenses.

What the hell do you think his Offensive Line coach would do?

Give me a break.

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If Arnett is at all successful he will get a raise to 5-6 million a year in a couple years.

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Originally Posted by MedDawg

If Arnett is at all successful he will get a raise to 5-6 million a year in a couple years.

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Worth the money if successful. Do a good job….brings in revenue….get a raise.

Does Andy Kotelnicki run his own offense at Kansas? His offenses at Buffalo and Kansas have been impressive. Run heavy though

So the coach we kick to the curb for Bumphis just got named the OC at Western Kentucky. Funny, I was told I was mad on Tuesday that we let Drew go and now you guys are realizing why.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

So the coach we kick to the curb for Bumphis just got named the OC at Western Kentucky. Funny, I was told I was mad on Tuesday that we let Drew go and now you guys are realizing why.

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You wanted to hire Hollingshead as the OC?

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

So the coach we kick to the curb for Bumphis just got named the OC at Western Kentucky. Funny, I was told I was mad on Tuesday that we let Drew go and now you guys are realizing why.

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Drew wasn't staying either way though. We couldn't name him OC and he got an OC job. Wished we could have but he's not staying here as a position coach

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Originally Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time

You wanted to hire Hollingshead as the OC?

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My guess is that he simply didn't want him replaced by Bumphis.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

My guess is that he simply didn't want him replaced by Bumphis.

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Well if we weren't naming him OC, we'd have lost him anyway, right?

Our fans find a way to complain from every angle.