2021 MSU Football Recruiting Discussion Thread

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

Without giving too much of it away, we're hitting Texas hard.

One kid from Dallas even mentioned that being able to see Dak play for the Cowboys and know that he came from MSU has caused him to become very interested in us.

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This is one thing I think Leach can do based on his history. He can maximize the most recognizable football player to ever come out of MSU in some of the most fertile recruiting ground in the country. Dak being in a Texas is a gold mine of exposure for us if we utilize it properly.

Leach is going to do well for us because his name expands our recruiting base, which we 100% have to do. That 4 hour bull crap doesn't build championship programs. Recruiting nationally does. Period. Leach can do that.

Who is the better LB at MGCCC: Black or Strong?

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Who is the better LB at MGCCC: Black or Strong?

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Last year on the field it wasn't close Strong was. With Black's physical gifts if he decided to open up his recruitment I have no doubt he'd be the higher more valued recruit.

Mississippi and Louisiana are both top heavy with WR .. we can now throw TX in there with CML connections there and the 2 QBs we have committed.
There will be plenty of WR to go around... just have to hope that a couple of the 5-6 we sign are SEC talented..

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Mississippi and Louisiana are both top heavy with WR .. we can now throw TX in there with CML connections there and the 2 QBs we have committed.
There will be plenty of WR to go around... just have to hope that a couple of the 5-6 we sign are SEC talented..

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If you had to guess today, which ones do we sign?

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

If you had to guess today, which ones do we sign?

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Buckhalter
Knox
Backstrain
Nabors / Coleman ( the one that LSU doesn’t get )
K Johnson

Brevard...maybe not as of today but longer he goes uncommitted better for us.. IMO

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Buckhalter
Knox
Backstrain
Nabors / Coleman ( the one that LSU doesn’t get )
K Johnson

Brevard...maybe not as of today but longer he goes uncommitted better for us.. IMO

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What's the deal with Brevard?

I thought he was leaning to us early?

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Buckhalter
Knox
Backstrain
Nabors / Coleman ( the one that LSU doesn’t get )
K Johnson

Brevard...maybe not as of today but longer he goes uncommitted better for us.. IMO

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What about Jacobi Moore?

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

What about Jacobi Moore?

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Yeah.. like I said there a bunch of WR in the 2 states.. I think we take Moore if we have the room. And how many WR CML wants to take.. I’m guessing we take 5 or 6

DL is the concern I have in 2021. There just aren’t many guys in our normal recruiting areas...
Hopefully this staff can dip into Texas and Georgia and fill those needs. I’m guessing and hoping we can fill that need in the jucos too..,

https://247sports.com/Player/Steven-Ortiz-46049118/

This guy is committing tomorrow night. Doubt we have a shot, but State is in the final 5.

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Originally Posted by ZedFedder

https://247sports.com/Player/Steven-Ortiz-46049118/

This guy is committing tomorrow night. Doubt we have a shot, but State is in the final 5.

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4-star .... 5'-11 170lb Corner-back is being recruited all across the country ... sounds like the kid must be a player.... looks like he's going to his home school of Minnesota - good for him

Football recruiting bout to pick up in MS.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Football recruiting bout to pick up in MS.

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Indeed. This staff is recruiting better than I think anyone could've imagined.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Indeed. This staff is recruiting better than I think anyone could've imagined.

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Any info on the Ty Keyes rumor?

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Football recruiting bout to pick up in MS.

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You mean as in here soon we might have some commitments? Any hints you can drop on who that might be?

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Indeed. This staff is recruiting better than I think anyone could've imagined.

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And that was really the main worry about this staff. Everyone thought he’d be able to do something with limited talent but always wondered what would happen if the staff recruited well now that they’ve got better access in this region to talented players. We could be on the brink of something special if this staff is recruiting this well like y’all are suggesting. The wool is getting thicker by the day!

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Originally Posted by 1bigdawg

Any info on the Ty Keyes rumor?

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It has legs & they're running full speed.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

It has legs & they're running full speed.

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Ahhhhhhh that’s what Cooter is referencing. I’m assuming Keyes’ name carries some serious weight with some in-state guys, particularly WR’s. So we dropping Greek to add Keyes?

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

It has legs & they're running full speed.

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We gonna drop Greek?

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

We gonna drop Greek?

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Wouldn't bother me.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Indeed. This staff is recruiting better than I think anyone could've imagined.

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Yes! They have been a lot better than I anticipated.

Of course Dan was pretty bad.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Wouldn't bother me.

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Oh me either. We already have a highly rated guy from TX that can help pull some of their WRs, so I'd love for us to get Keyes too so that he can help with some of the in-state receivers. I know he's tight with some of them.

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

Oh me either. We already have a highly rated guy from TX that can help pull some of their WRs, so I'd love for us to get Keyes too so that he can help with some of the in-state receivers. I know he's tight with some of them.

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As long as it doesn't effect Robertson I'm good with it.

Also would say something about Key's willingness to compete.

This would be wild if we got Keys as well. Just absolutely wild to have type of QB competition on campus

And for Keys, I does kind of make some sense. Even if you aren't the #1 QB in the class, you get to go to the school you wanted to &, if Leach really is the best QB developer possibly in the history of college football, then go be developed by him for a few years, see where things stand, & then if you need to transfer, after being coached by Leach for 2/3 years, I'm sure you'll have plenty of options.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

As long as it doesn't effect Robertson I'm good with it.

Also would say something about Key's willingness to compete.

This would be wild if we got Keys as well. Just absolutely wild to have type of QB competition on campus

And for Keys, I does kind of make some sense. Even if you aren't the #1 QB in the class, you get to go to the school you wanted to &, if Leach really is the best QB developer possibly in the history of college football, then go be developed by him for a few years, see where things stand, & then if you need to transfer, after being coached by Leach for 2/3 years, I'm sure you'll have plenty of options.

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I don't see why it would. Leach likes to use experienced QB's. Redshirt Keys and play Sawyer and let both develop.

Leach doesn't like to play QB's before their junior year.

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

Oh me either. We already have a highly rated guy from TX that can help pull some of their WRs, so I'd love for us to get Keyes too so that he can help with some of the in-state receivers. I know he's tight with some of them.

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I think our philosophy needs to be to see what's in Mississippi recruit those best players. And then fill in the holes with out of state players. Like d-line this year.

Mississippi is a small state but has a lot of football talent and athleticism that can be developed. But because it's small what we produce at position groups is inconsistent. You may have a bunch of WR's one year and then not very many for two.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I don't see why it would. Leach likes to use experienced QB's. Redshirt Keys and play Sawyer and let both develop.

Leach doesn't like to play QB's before their junior year.

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How you handle that situation will likely depend on what becomes of Garrett Shrader.

Does he thrive in Leach's system?

Does he transfer?

If Shrader thrives, then you've got a back log of Shrader, Roberts, Robertson, Keys, Vandy QB transfer, & maybe Greek.

That too many guys.

If Shrader transfers, then that really opens up the competition.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

How you handle that situation will likely depend on what becomes of Garrett Shrader.

Does he thrive in Leach's system?

Does he transfer?

If Shrader thrives, then you've got a back log of Shrader, Roberts, Robertson, Keys, Vandy QB transfer, & maybe Greek.

That too many guys.

If Shrader transfers, then that really opens up the competition.

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AMAZING ?problem? to have!!!

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I think our philosophy needs to be to see what's in Mississippi recruit those best players. And then fill in the holes with out of state players. Like d-line this year.

Mississippi is a small state but has a lot of football talent and athleticism that can be developed. But because it's small what we produce at position groups is inconsistent. You may have a bunch of WR's one year and then not very many for two.

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I hear you, but Mississippi has never consistently produced great WRs & QBs.

You can't win big in the SEC by prioritizing Mississippi at those positions. You can't pass on Robertson ever.

Robertson may be a better pure passer than anyone Mississippi produced Romero Miller or Fant. You can't pass on that.

When it comes to QB's, whatever Leach wants to do I'm on board, even if it meant something crazy like signing 3 high school QB's in the same class. He is the pirate after aaarrggh.

This offensive system will recruit itself. QBs and WRs will be drawn to it. How we recruit defensively will determine how successful we are. Leach and Co. haven't fared so well in that area in the past, but he was in Lubbock, Texas (where he had a couple of good defenses) and Pullman (which is.. well in the middle of nowhere). Being in the southeast will give him access to the best athletes in the country. I just hope we can continue our success on the defensive line. We need a Nathan Pickering every year or so.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

How you handle that situation will likely depend on what becomes of Garrett Shrader.

Does he thrive in Leach's system?

Does he transfer?

If Shrader thrives, then you've got a back log of Shrader, Roberts, Robertson, Keys, Vandy QB transfer, & maybe Greek.

That too many guys.

If Shrader transfers, then that really opens up the competition.

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I think Shrader ends up transferring eventually. That QB room is getting crowded very quickly.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I hear you, but Mississippi has never consistently produced great WRs & QBs.

You can't win big in the SEC by prioritizing Mississippi at those positions. You can't pass on Robertson ever.

Robertson may be a better pure passer than anyone Mississippi produced Romero Miller or Fant. You can't pass on that.

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Never?

Rice, Moulds, Bumphis, AJ Brown, Metcalf...

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Originally Posted by KOdawg1

I think Shrader ends up transferring eventually. That QB room is getting crowded very quickly.

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I think he may fit Leach's system well. Like I said Leach likes veterans and I think Shrader has a decent football IQ and a good arm. He's also fairly accurate.

Honest question... if the system is so easy to learn, why does it take the qb until his junior year to run it? (Well, Leach’s preference)

Not being negative what so ever.

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Originally Posted by Hambone

Honest question... if the system is so easy to learn, why does it take the qb until his junior year to run it? (Well, Leach’s preference)

Not being negative what so ever.

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I don't think it's a "not knowing the offense" thing as much as it is a maturity thing. It's one thing to know the playbook and it's another to "hey I can the the ball across my body in the middle of the field and complete it against Alabama because I did it to Madison Central when I was in high school."

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I think he may fit Leach's system well. Like I said Leach likes veterans and I think Shrader has a decent football IQ and a good arm. He's also fairly accurate.

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I agree. I think Shrader is a good QB and will do well under Leach.

What’s the percentage we get Keyes right now?

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Originally Posted by NCDawg

I agree. I think Shrader is a good QB and will do well under Leach.

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I agree

However, one thing is for sure though... He's going to have to beat out some ballers to play

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Never?

Rice, Moulds, Bumphis, AJ Brown, Metcalf...

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Maybe I used the wrong word in "Great"

The state doesn't produce enough polish on a consistent basis.

Too many Stone hands types lack the polish to be consistent.

Texas produce those guys in droves.

We have to spread around our WR recruiting with the right mix of polish & upside.