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And this is why I'm confident he's gone. You can't have a fanbase genuinely loathe the head coach on a personal level.Quote:
Originally Posted by missouridawg
Stop and look at what you are typing. This is where you want our program?Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
How much did winning the EB factor into your position?Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Realism has little to do with it. We can keep Joe or we can make a change, either will be reality. Now if you want to stand on principle that somehow our national image will be damaged by this you are welcome to feel that way but I don't care what 'some guys" will or won't do, it only matters what the guys will do that we are interested in. And we should have that pretty well guaged given we likely already vetted a lot of their interest through their agents the week of the Egg Bowl. Sitting P5 coaches would probably not be interested under the circumstances but I don't know that we could get a successful sitting P5 HC under any circumstances. Very few G5 HCs or P5 coordinators are going to turn down an SEC job just because the previous HC only got 2 years rather than 3 even though the program was heading on a downward trajectory.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
We're not firing a coach at this point without knowing who the next coach will be. We'll already have an agreement in place if the trigger is pulledQuote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Are you genuinely this dumb?Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Marriage is understood to be for life. Not anything like a Head coach.
The analogy is you like a girl and go on a couple dates but it's clearly not clicking so you part ways. A perfectly normal scenario
So ..... who will Gene Chizik bring in as his OC?
Literally none. I think we have always put way too much emphasis on the Egg Bowl.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Marriage is a contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex54
Realism is realizing that he hasn't done anything to improve our program to this point and realizing his offense doesn't work and realizing our culture has gone downhill and realizing that the fan base is no longer going to spend money and go to games like they have the last decade. You are not a Realist. You are a traditionalist. Big difference.
Any truth to the rumor Joe told Cohen to go pound sand on some of the staff changes?
If it really is going down, I truly hope you are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If Hudspeth is the guy im going to be disappointed, and I have a feeling that's who it will end up being this late in the game.
And for all of the people that use "Joe put us on probation" as one of the reasons for possible dismissal need to take a long look at Hudspeth. Dude hired Barney Farrar.
That EB press conference was horrible for JM's fan support. I truly liked the guy until that PC but I tolerate him now. To beat a 4-7 bad OM team by 1 point on your home field when you are at full strength for one of the few times during the year primarily due to an idiotic action of an OM player is not the time to puff out your chest and talk down to your fanbase about how great you and your program are acting like you just won an SEC title or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex54
Difference between a life contract and a work contract.
Contractors aren't performing their job properly, they get let go.
But if you wanna put it as a marriage analogy, after the initial honey moon wore off the two of you have been at odds ever since for 2 years. At some point you gotta call it quits before you do something irreversible (have a kid). Some women may turn down a man who was divorced but others see it as one who knows what he wants and has the capacity to be married.
If us firing a coach for poor performance scares off a future coach, then I don't want him. I want a guy who isn't scared of failing period. It actually helps my coaching search at that point because then I don't have to worry about another JoMo type who is doing everything he can to not get fired except actually being a good coach.
All I can say is I'm glad you have zero say in the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Hitler not remembering Napoleon's mistake.....Joe not remembering Croom's mistake.**Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
He didn’t hire Farrar.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
IF it was going to be Napier before I don't see any reason it couldn't be Napier now. Not a lot has changed in the situation other than a little over a month has passed. In fact, Napier should appreciate the fact that after sneaking out an EB victory we stuck with JM to give him another chance to prove he should be the guy going forward. In fact, the only coaches that things have really changed for are those that have already accepted other jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
He did not hire Barney FarrarQuote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
It's never been anything but that. Sure 2014 was great, but it was just a winning season- not a championship season, and it certainly wasn't the norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
Just 2 years after our number one season we were 5-7 and winning the Egg Bowl possibly saved Mullen's job. Smoking that stupid ass cigar after going 5-7 was embarrassing, but our fan base slurped it up.
Does hud coach at Jones c.c.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
The thing I got out of Rosebowel live facebook. Jughead won't be fired. They will crow about how awesome the team looks in the spring after shuffling and changing assistants. Which won't change shit. They think us bullies will calm down and buy back in next fall.
Why won't we fire this no good con artist ? Does he have pics of John ? Are we that broke that we can't buy him out ? It's clear by now what this bum is.
It's no wonder that we cuck out every time the NCAA needs a whipping boy, MSU is too broke to fight them off at all .
Uh...it was more than that, lol. It elevated our brand in ways you can't put a price on. Did it end in us winning the rock? No, but its a major reason why I've got students all the **** way up here in Massachusetts who know what MSU is....Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Don’t suppose I could be lucky enough to see both JoMo & Jason Garrett exit at the same time. Yeah, I know, better chance of shark attack on freeway .... yada, yada, yada.
But I still hold on to hope.
The biggest difference is it's not just about won/loss record. The fight and things like that off the field are embarrassing to the University and reflect a lack of control off the field. And if my math is correct he's only 14-12 so it's not like we're talking about firing Allyn McKeen here. Cann and Stansbury both had winning records at MSU and both were fired after off the field incidents occurred. And Stansbury had built up at least 10x more equity than Joe has. I think the suspensions in general- not just Tutor Gate or even just Shrader and Gay- are the actual tipping point here. I outlined it last night. Every position group except TE has had at least one player suspended for one matter or another. Tutor Gate was really actually only HALF of it- which says a lot considering how many were involved in that one incident alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
And let's all be honest here- most of us would have suspended Gay for the Music City Bowl if we were in Joe's shoes. I sure as hell would have suspended Gay and Shrader for one game at a minimum. And if I was in a bad mood I would have told them to donate their bowl gifts to charity. Some may consider that over the top but I guarantee you that everybody on the team would think twice about fighting anyone after that.
We are by far the most disorganized team in the SEC I have seen this year. Heck- even the highlight of the year began because of a bust in coverage which was in part because of a lack of discipline.
Who am I thinking about ? Saunders? Whoever left them on probationQuote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Not sure how you got that out of what Steve said.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobtail bob
Saunders, correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
I didn't get that at all. He in fact stated that JM's dismissal is a distinct possibility. SR is never going to say that our coach is absolutely going to be let go until the university has already announced such a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobtail bob
You know how you don't fire people after two years?
You hire better coaches. You make damn well that the people you hire are ready and proven for the position.
We are an SEC 17ing West Football program. You act like.
I find it funny how people still want to chase the shiny object with a coach like Joe Brady who clearly isn't experienced enough or ready for the job. You simply cannot do that.
Maybe putting some ice cream on this hot pile of steaming shit next year will make it more palatable.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
I actually had a similar take to what Steve said. He didn't close door on new HC tho and Steve is in favor of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Exactly, with Croom I felt we were poorly coached and had very little SEC level talent but never felt the culture of the program was decaying. In fact, Croom restored a lot of the culture within the program lost during the final years of JWS. I do appreciate him for that even though I thought when he showed up he ran off many more players than he should have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Massafrigginchusetts????!!!! Who tha eff drug your Southern ass all the way up there?Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
I've got your file under review***
Probably just hedging.Quote:
Originally Posted by OLJWales
Oh sure he ripped jughead a little but he is appeasing the masses .Then he added that part about the assistants being changed for sure. That was planting the seed per his controllers.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
I'm a little bit of a cynic, So I could be wrong . I still have the question though, Why won't they fire this program killer ?
Have you ever coached upwards basketball? Them mommas and grandmommas ain?t playing that crap***Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
which says a lot because he is the sunshine pumper of all sunshine pumpers when it comes to MSU athletics.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Bill Clark is a winner. He can coach circles around Moorhead and is a great motivator. UAB plays hard every single snapQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg