You never want to have the top rated guy on your board not make an official visit.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
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You never want to have the top rated guy on your board not make an official visit.Quote:
Originally Posted by CadaverDawg
I be almost willing to be he don't take all of those visits
If he wants to go to Cal, that's fine with me. He just better be here on the 22nd. I expect him to be, but this is the first time I have had even 5% of worry with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElitedawgRecruiting
We need him here on our biggest recruiting weekend, recruiting other big time players.
I think it's just a situation where national media doing the interviews. ESPN would be the last place you have to worry about breaking a recruiting story. That place is dead in recruiting info.
Agreed, there was worry about Peters visiting LSU the last weekend last year and he never made the trip. That's not to say I'm confident on AJ.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElitedawgRecruiting
I'm with you, but this reporter did an interview and doesn't have an agenda. My guess is that AJ is just trying to build some suspense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElitedawgRecruiting
If he doesn't show up here on the 22nd, he will be successful.
Do we have a shot at Marquez callaway?
Is a top 30 class this year "Good enough"?
Just got done listening to Rosebowl's "Boneyard" on BSR & couldn't believe when he said that. He said, according to what he's hearing right now, getting 3 of the 4 Golden Triangle boys is best case scenario & that a top 30 class this year would be good enough & a great job by the staff, due to a light in-state class this year.
WTF? Is Rosebowl just trying to lower expectations or does he really believe this?
Who cares if it's a light year in-state? Get your ass out of state & get some players.
How can we compete in the West without recruiting in the top 20 most every year? We can't. A top 30 class is a "poo ole Mistoisnt State" attitude & I'm tired of it. Get some folks in here that can recruit there asses off & let's compete.
Fired up right now after listening to that crap. With our facilities, recent winning, & in-state talent base, a deaf, dumb, blind person could land a top 30 recruiting class. absurd
I agree. I'm dreading NSD now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I think he is trying to lower expectations but at the same time I think he also underrates our overall potential as a program.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Signing 3 out of 4 kids from the golden triangle when, one is related to Johnnie Cooks, 2 are playing in Starkville, and the other is a 40 minute drive away, and two of these kids are top 100 players, is not successful.
It's just not, any attempt to say anything ekse is just spin.
Everyone knows we are landing Kobe and Lashley. Croom would have landed those two. AJ and Simmons are simply must gets if you are the MSU coach. If we can't, we are just spinning our wheels.
I keep hearing that Bama is awfully confident. Everyone keeps worrying about the bears, I think Bama steaks him.
Simmons or aj?Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Simmons, I won't worry about AJ until he doesn't show up for an official visit.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
I'm guessing that's ESPN being ESPN.. UMiss big weekend with the $$ and Ho's is Jan 29....Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
For a MS recruit to want to go to Bama and expect to play, he better be extremely good.
Simmons is extremely good. So is AJ, but Im not worried about Bama for AJ. They have a stud WR that will be a sophomore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
Im just not worried about AJ. Maybe Im blind, but Im just not worried. If he doesn't show up on the 22nd, then yes I'll be worried.
We should have been prepared for this 3 years ago and found targets accordingly. We should be targeting the top 100 players in the nation as freshmen and sophomores to see if we can get out of state interest. If they reciprocate, we pursue it. It's not rocket science. I don't feel like we have a coherent system in place to project team needs, identify candidates, and know how to prioritize our recruiting time and resources.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Ty Montgomery is a perfect example. Kid that was interested from TX that ended up at Stanford. No telling if we would've landed him but we didn't even allow ourselves to get in the game. Kids in town visiting family and can't get a coach on the phone. Ridiculous.
Other schools do a tremendous job of identifying connections to out of state talent. We did it with Fred Ross. Not sure why it's so hard for us to do that consistently.
Been saying it all year... It's called getting out worked...Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
If we don't close AJ. ( which I still feel almost certain we do) Everyone including Mullen should get a pay cut...Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
And if we had signed Dylan Bradley a few years ago Simmons would be in the bag..
I was told by a good buddy of mine that lives in Oxford that his boss (that talks with the Oxford High Football coach that just retired often) spoke with Metcalf said that AJ told him he was going to Bama. AJ and Metcalf are good friends and talk often. Saban told AJ that he reminded him of Julio Jones which AJ even said at the Under Armour All American game and it blew AJ away to hear Saban tell him that and basically said he's all bama. Do I believe all of that? Not entirely but I could see this happening considering AJ has mentioned he wants to get of out Starkville before. I hope that this is wrong and we land him but I'm not expecting to get AJ. If we do then great!
AJ and Metcalf are good friends?Quote:
Originally Posted by djaymsu5
Our recruiting guys on here aren't worried, so I'm not gonna worry either. If we lose to bear to nfl and aj out of Starkville, that's quite a gut shot. If Ross declares, we'd have gotten a kick in the nuts to go with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by djaymsu5
I agree, there are times we simply accept kids that we can develop into solid players 2-3 years down the road, as opposed to going after impact guys. Now, sometimes you can come up empty - as the bears did last year - but it looks like it may work this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
Also, with our success in putting guys in the league, we should be touting our development. Especially Jones and Wilson. We just hoping we land guys that can leave in 3 years - this is the future in football recruiting. Kids don't want to get hit for free for 5 years. They want to get to the league in 3 years. We can make that happen, but we have to recruit accordingly.
Look at this top 75 list from UGA:
https://rivals.yahoo.com/BWI/footbal...gs/rank-3591/0
There are 32 four star players in UGA. Only 13 are committed to UGA or AU. Teams like Kentucky, Duke, UNC, Southern Cal, bears, and Louisville all have commits from this state that are 4 star or higher. There is no reason UK, Louisville, or Duke should beat us out for a player from UGA that is a 4 star. Now, maybe they are overrated, but we should be making this a priority and we don't.
Same with Texas.
Totally agree on this. I think the bears and us made a major mistake in not offering this kid. First off, he is a damn good player, second I think it gives you a major selling point with Simmons.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
Do you really think AJ is trying to build suspense...you do know how old he is right? I doubt very seriously that this is on his mind.
I stopped when I read that the reference was located in Oxford.....
1.That's the shit that grinds my gears and I've heard of way too many stories like this by our staff. Sometimes I don't understand the arrogance and why we do such a shitty job of making some feel welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Political Hack
2. Because we run off or don't keep guys around that are aggressive recruiters. Brewster was a major player for Ross.
Umm yes I do. Why do you think he posted on twitter a few weeks ago that he wasn't committed to MSU? He wasn't getting enough attention from other schools. Everyone just assumed he was going to MSU. He does want attention. Its no big deal that he does, but he certainly does want attention. One way to do that is to not schedule an official visit to MSU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
Now, saying you aren't going to take an official to MSU and not taking an official visit to MSU are two different things.
Same way telling a teammate that you are going to Bama - when you know that info will get leaked by bear media is just building up the drama.
that and Ross aunt works for State.
Why does this keep coming up concerning Ross's recruitment? It's been stated multiple times that Keonnig and the family connection did the heavy lifting on Ross. Not Brewster. And he left on his own for FSU. Had nothing to do with us running him off.Quote:
Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX
Yep -- and I remember at the time a bunch of us said as much too. A part of the class of 2013 that we prettymuch whiffed on as well. Chris Jones and Trent Simpson were the only DL we took in that class. So, now we're left with a 2 year gap in recruiting on the DL as it pertains to upperclassmen -- and our perceived depth issues at the spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
That damn 2013 class that was decent on paper -- sheessshhhh...
#1 just declared and was pretty good if not what we had hoped(Jones)
#2 hasn't lived up to billing on any level(Shump)
#3 has been everything we hoped(Ross)
#4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #11, #12, #15, #19, #20 will not/did not finish their career at State...
#10 has been pretty good, if surpassed in the slot(Miles)
#13 has been better than expected when signed(Clayborn)
#14 about what expected when signed(Coman)
#16 just declared and was awesome(DeRunnya)
#17 is what we expected him to be, a career backup QB(Damien)
#18 has been hurt his whole career while being a physical freakshow(Dez)
So, entering their 4th year, we've got 7 contributors expected back from that class -- and that's with a medical scholarship potential in Dez and transfer potential in Damian. So maybe only 5. For reference -- we're expecting at least 12 5th year contributors back from the class of 2012. Insane. And the worst part? I think time is going to tell that we missed alot on the class of 2014 too...
We graduate 6 guys on the DL next year. We need some HS bodies this year on the DL, we simply can't afford a year with misses on the DL, at the HS level which is why I'm a little confused as to why we don't have more DL targeted.Quote:
Originally Posted by engie
And we will have probably 3 of those DL go juco... So no 100% chance they ever make it to campus..Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Simmons.. Is a must get IMO..
I've been curious about it since this class started, especially when Pope got pushed back a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Yep.. Pretty sad when u get out worked by other schools for these players ..Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Im not sure outworked is the right way to put it, I think our coaches work damn hard, Im just not sure they set their sights high enough sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic
Any update on Jamaal Couch?
I think it's that and they're brutally honest with most of the kids. Sometimes that's not what kids exactly want to hear about their future college experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
That's getting out worked..Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
We are content to basically just recruit 3 states..
Louisiana
Miss
Alabama..
No reason we shouldn't be picking up 4-6 kids that are SEC calibure from Ga, Fla, and Texas every year..
We half of your minimum from those three states right now. Let's see how the year plays out. Last year we went into TN more. The year before we signed 6 or 7 from your 3 states.Quote:
Originally Posted by mic