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Originally Posted by Todd4State
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Won't be all defense but mostly for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Knight is massively overhyped. He's got a long way to go, Cunningham ain't happening, and I'll be honest, Dear is another that's overhyped a bit. He's big but I won't be surprised to see him in the portal in a year or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt3467
We are not getting Cunningham. That ship has sailed unfortunately. He's got people telling him he's the next Ryan Williams, he's not but that won't stop them from telling him that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
On Taylor, he is the guy Lebby wants and has a chance, A CHANCE, to be the best QB Lebby has ever had. He has the physical abilities to look like Nico Iamaleava in this offense. It's just going to be putting the footbal IQ and knowledge of the system together with the speed of the game.
That kid could play almost any position on the field and excel. He’s a football player.,Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Cunningham is another AJ BrownQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Mario Nash decommitted. Sucks we really need OL help
That one is not over by a longshot. He's trying to get us to up his offer. Wouldn't be surprised if we saw him commit to FSU and then decommit in a month.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
Nah. He gone. These never go our way. When they decommit they are gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
He may end up signing elsewhere, but his recruitment is far from over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawgology
If Lebby can't get these guys, he's gone in a couple years. That's the bottom line! Either he gets the recruits or he's looking for a job. He already made terrible choices for his staff that's haunting him right now. Can't miss on these guys.
Serious question, not picking an NIL argument. But if what the above poster said was true and he?s looking for more money, what would firing Lebby do? Any coach we hire would have the same issues if our NIL isn?t enough to get 4 stars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Maybe we have the money and just don?t think he?s worth it, but if Lebby is pounding the table saying go get more more NIL so we can sign this guy, what else could he do?
I didn't say fire Lebby. I said he won't be around but a couple more years if he can't sign guys.. And this isn't just about money, Lebby needs to sign some damn talent!Quote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
Can't allow anyone we want on the OL or DL to back out on us. Now that it's happened, I wouldn't be surprised if Nash is an Ole Miss signee.
FSU, they're the one school we knew could give us trouble. But OM is running up the cost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
Nash commits to FSU
And he'll decommit in about 3 weeks and OM will be the favorite. He'll probably commit to them and then prolong his signing to February and sign with either us or LSU. This kid and his family are being influenced by the same guy who got in Donte Dowdell's ear and Jarquez Hunter. They are chasing the biggest offer, but his ultimate goal is to push them out of state.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZedFedder
I will say this though, we have an old friend back recruiting for us again. And his sphere of influence is a little better than some prick from Eastern Mississippi looking for a payday.
Nah, OM ain't in this. And I'm not getting in a bidding war for this kid beyond a point. He's pretty raw and there's another kid instate next year we've got a good in with that's better right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
That guy encouraging players to leave the State is a big reason we lost Kahnen Daniels to Florida. Almost everyone he is associated with goes out of state.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
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Originally Posted by PMDawg
Yep. But don't worry. Byron DeVinner is back with us now. We'll get that guy out of the way REAL FAST.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
That's great!Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I don't know if it is because of the portal/NIL, but since 2020, there have been very few impact college players that have come from our recruiting footprint. I don't know if the talent level is just down, or if it is a player development issue because these guys are bolting at the first sign of adversity.
Lebby is about to surprise with what he pulls out of the portal here in 60ish days? money guys are all now working together both old money and new money.
And to CP?s point?you can only bid up to show much for HS kids. Nash may very well end up this years Scott Lashley. I?d rather us pull Tyler Miller if we can.
And on LH?Hunter wanted to play RB, Leach wanted him as a safety. However, LH had locked us out of Picayune and other spots. We are gonna need DeVinner (shouts to PoliticalHack) and bring back in Demetric as well, but things are in play. Let it play out
It's that by and large, most MS kids are ATHLETES first and football players second. Take a kid like Kelley Jones. He is an incredible athlete, but is still learning how to be an elite football player. When you look at the kids in our "footprint" and the one's we've had success with, McKinney, Jenkins, Green, etc., they needed time to develop and learn how to play the game instead of just relying on athleticism because they were the best player at their school and in their division most of the time. MS has produced VERY FEW ELITE FOOTBALL PLAYERS, especially as Freshman, in the last 25 years. I mean I can think of maybe 15-20. Jeffrey Simmons is a prime example. That kid was a dominant athlete and dominant football player.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
The problem with this model is that you don't have time to develop kids these days. The Bernardrick Mckinney, Gerri Green, Johnthan Banks, etc would've transferred in this day and age. So when I see people say we need to be recruiting MS better, I have hesitation. Because by and large most of those kids need AT LEAST two years to develop. I mean go look at the past 3 recruiting classes, find me 5 players that were impact players their first two years. Heck, most are on their second school. I mean I found 4. Perkins, Issac Smith, Kelley Jones, and you could stretch and say Dowdell. I mean really it's Perkins and Smith. Branson Robinson probably could had he not gotten hurt, but he's hurt all the time.
That's what I was thinking. Even Perkins isn't starting at Ole Miss, or at least isn't getting starter's snaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
More competitive than this year on the DL, hopefully. I still think we'll get mostly pick overs, but I'd love to be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
We have to figure out what the formula is for us in this new era. Back when Dan was here we may have very well lost Josh Robinson and Bear Wilson to the portal among others.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I do think with Mississippi kids it is going to have to be developmental to a degree. But it's going to require patience from both parties- MSU and the players because the reality is they're going to have to grow and MSU is going to have to be Ok with not everyone being Jeffrey Simmons. I do think we are going to have to make Mississippi players a big part of our program. But it's just hard to have that patience when players are either processed maybe too soon in some cases and maybe leave on their own because they aren't playing.
To me, I think MSU has a big problem with foresight. Dan had an ego issue that limited that for him IMO. We have to be able to project what we're going to have 3-5 years from now player personnel wise and we have to sell that vision to players as recruits and now as players too. Maybe I should say buying with NIL instead of selling honestly.
I will say this though- because it is easy to forget that we are just in year one of Lebby- but if we get guys like DeVinner involved that may help us some with retention. It should help with acquisition. We need time to establish that foundation and by next year our recruiting could be completely different in a good way.
You can forget Tyler Miller, that one ain't happeningQuote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
where is he headed?
So apparently we can't even hold on to our own commits now
Henry was a money decision. No clue on the Miller kid, but probably the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by civildawg
Miller was a LSU is my dream school kid.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Weird he's going to USCw. You may be thinking of Tyler Miller, the OT from Laurel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
So do we just not have the money to compete, or are we playing money ball and just not paying top dollarQuote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Program prestige and things to do in town. Both played a factor.
Yes. My bad. Wrong Miller.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I guess I'm shocked people are shocked that a 1-5 MSU team lost commits to Bama and USC.Quote:
Originally Posted by civildawg
That defensive staff is getting fired anyway. Going yo lose a few recruits we got on that side anyway. It's worth it to get rid of the pile of crab running our defensive units.
We would need a Muschamp type hire to keep us out of the basement in recruiting defense. Right now, I don't see Hutzler getting fired. We are just going to have to eat the results and pray for a 6-6 season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
He's about to finish bottom 10, maybe bottom 5 in America in defense and is about to lose just about every recruit-more bad news is coming. We'll give him and others on that staff the boot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops