Sunday Morning QB- Just Cant Give Them The D Edition

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10-09-2023, 12:23 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Well, I think you’re missing the fact that Iowa played its starting QB almost the entire game whereas we played Wright quite a bit and experimented some offensively.

I’d also like to point out A&M and Petrino scored 20 on Bammer and everybody thinks A&M’s O is pretty good.

You act like Wright is some true freshman. Wright beat FL with Vandy last year. It's not like we are letting a walk-on play QB.

Bottom line is that all the talk about the defense being terrible (which is appropriate) is glossing over the fact that our offense compared to Iowa which is one of the worst offenses in the country.

At the end of the day, I think Upig is damn winnable and we need improvement on both sides of the ball.
10-09-2023, 12:25 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Santiago

My understanding is the RB's recruiting would change for some bigger backs as well, but not a TE in the portal for this offseason. At least that is what I was told by a few.
If CZA did not neglect the defense this off season, then he is some other term for not seeing it coming.

Ok, how did he neglect the defense?
10-09-2023, 12:33 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg

That's your way of masking it.

https://www.teamrankings.com/college...ate=2023-10-10

29.6 last year in FBS play with a tougher schedule and 26.6 this season. I get that you NEED to add in the FCS to prop up this staff.

Take out the defense and special teams scores from last year if you want to stop masking a shitty offense.
10-09-2023, 12:40 PM
BlackSailsDawg

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Take out the defense and special teams scores from last year if you want to stop masking a shitty offense.

That's a 2 way street. We can get down to the nuts and bolts.
10-09-2023, 12:43 PM
sandjunky

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Take out the defense and special teams scores from last year if you want to stop masking a shitty offense.

I did - see my post from earlier
29.5 pts per game with the defensive and ST scores

So far this year 29 pts per game
10-09-2023, 12:49 PM
sandjunky

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Take out the defense and special teams scores from last year if you want to stop masking a shitty offense.

Through 6 games
2022 - offense scoring- 36.2 pts per
2023 - offense scoring - 29 pts per

So leach was a TD better and likely had much better TOP
10-09-2023, 12:51 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by sandjunky

Through 6 games
2022 - offense scoring- 36.2 pts per
2023 - offense scoring - 29 pts per

So leach was a TD better and likely had much better TOP

Against better defenses as well.
10-09-2023, 12:51 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by sandjunky

Through 6 games
2022 - offense scoring- 36.2 pts per
2023 - offense scoring - 29 pts per

So leach was a TD better and likely had much better TOP

Now add in all the other games like a normal human would, or just do the P5 numbers.
10-09-2023, 12:53 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by sandjunky

I did - see my post from earlier
29.5 pts per game with the defensive and ST scores

So far this year 29 pts per game

Not a big deal but I don't get 29.5 last season. I keep getting below 29. 411 total points, less 6 defensive and ST scores. I get 28.4 last year.
10-09-2023, 12:55 PM
sandjunky

I did the same - I went through every scoring play

Memphis - 49
Arizona - 39
LSU - 16
BG - 45
TAMU - 28
UPig - 40
UK - 13
UAt - 6
AU - 32
UGA - 13
ETSU - 49
OM - 24
Total - 354
Games- 12
PTs per game 29.5
10-09-2023, 01:04 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by sandjunky

I did the same - I went through every scoring play

Ok. I got 411 - 42 = 369 / 13 = 28.38
10-09-2023, 01:06 PM
sandjunky

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Ok. I got 411 - 42 = 369 / 13 = 28.38

Bowl don?t count - leach was dead
10-09-2023, 01:10 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Not a big deal but I don't get 29.5 last season. I keep getting below 29. 411 total points, less 6 defensive and ST scores. I get 28.4 last year.

The real numbers that matter are the P5 opponents if we are going to trim the fat. What the offense does against Western Michigan and USM doesn’t matter. It’s what they do against teams with a pulse that matter. Leach ran the score up on the nobodies to mask his shitty offense. We are still not good offensively, but against teams that are in our own league/p5, we are almost exactly the same as we were last year, and that is with us already playing the best defense on our schedule. The fact that people are actually even arguing against this offense when the defense is playing the way it is shows us exactly who they are related to.
10-09-2023, 01:10 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by sandjunky

Bowl don?t count - leach was dead

Sure it does. It was last season’s offense. They didn’t change anything for the bowl game
10-09-2023, 01:18 PM
sandjunky

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Sure it does. It was last season’s offense. They didn’t change anything for the bowl game

Bull$hit and you know it

So you would expect leach to call the game from the grave - par for the course with you if it helps your argument
10-09-2023, 01:28 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Jarius

The real numbers that matter are the P5 opponents if we are going to trim the fat. What the offense does against Western Michigan and USM doesn’t matter. It’s what they do against teams with a pulse that matter. Leach ran the score up on the nobodies to mask his shitty offense. We are still not good offensively, but against teams that are in our own league/p5, we are almost exactly the same as we were last year, and that is with us already playing the best defense on our schedule. The fact that people are actually even arguing against this offense when the defense is playing the way it is shows us exactly who they are related to.

It looks to me like if anything Leach's offense keeping Arnett's defense off the field was as valuable as actually scoring.

Even still- you can infer some things with like opponents:

SELU and East Tennessee are roughly the same- Leach scored 49, Barbay got 41

Arizona is the same. Leach got 39, Barbay got 31 in OT and 24 in regulation.

LSU- Leach got 16, Barbay got 14 against a much worse LSU team

Alabama- Leach got 6 and Barbay got 17. Good for Barbay!

South Carolina and Georgia are not the same obviously. But Barbay got 30 and Leach got 13.

Western Michigan and Bowling Green are about the same- Leach got 45 and Barby got 41.

So basically in five apples to apples comparisons Leach scored more in four of them.
10-09-2023, 01:29 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by sandjunky

Bowl don?t count - leach was dead

Did we run a different offense for the bowl game? I mean...ok man. We are still about the same as last season while Leach was the coach, so far.
10-09-2023, 01:32 PM
KB21

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FetfaLsX...pg&name=medium
Same graph as what I posted on page 6, except this is the data from games 1-6 of 2022. Notice Mississippi State is in the top right quadrant on this graph and the bottom left quadrant on the other. This football team was SIGNIFICANTLY better in 2022 on offense and defense than this one is.
10-09-2023, 01:32 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Did we run a different offense for the bowl game? I mean...ok man. We are still about the same as last season while Leach was the coach, so far.

Spurrier definitely added some wrinkles. I don't think Leach should get credit for the offense in the bowl. Did he get credit for the win as a coach?
10-09-2023, 01:37 PM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

It looks to me like if anything Leach's offense keeping Arnett's defense off the field was as valuable as actually scoring.

Even still- you can infer some things with like opponents:

SELU and East Tennessee are roughly the same- Leach scored 49, Barbay got 41

Arizona is the same. Leach got 39, Barbay got 31 in OT and 24 in regulation.

LSU- Leach got 16, Barbay got 14 against a much worse LSU team

Alabama- Leach got 6 and Barbay got 17. Good for Barbay!

South Carolina and Georgia are not the same obviously. But Barbay got 30 and Leach got 13.

Western Michigan and Bowling Green are about the same- Leach got 45 and Barby got 41.

So basically in five apples to apples comparisons Leach scored more in four of them.

We will see at the end of the year, but it’s pretty apparent that Barbay’s offense is going to be ok (nothing special) and Brock’s defense is not. The fact that we have a million threads discussing our offense which is virtually the same as last year and are focusing very little on our awful defense proves where a lot of people’s loyalties are. I’ve never seen a player’s family and friends helicopter over s message board the way this one’s have. It’s obnoxious.

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