Quick Thoughts - JOMO Has To Go

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I imagine we could've gotten Satterfield or Klieman. But on paper Joe did look like a pretty good hire.

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Still might be. He's not going anywhere any time soon.

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Originally Posted by redstickdawg

I agree 100%, question is if we only get 2-3 more wins this year (my best guess) do we dump this clownshow at the end of the year?

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I highly doubt that will happen, on the record, but let's say it did, and JoeMo was fired this year. OK, ED Coaching Committee Search Team, who would you get to come here ( or better yet what coach would want to come here) after allowing JoeMo only two years, including the crap that he has had to put up with this year on the suspensions and injuries, which is beyond his control. I don't know whether he has the type of demeanor to be an SEC Coach, or whether his offensive scheme will work well in the SEC. We don't know that yet, but wanting to fire him after the 3rd game of his second season is pretty overboard and not even realistic.

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

I highly doubt that will happen, on the record, but let's say it did, and JoeMo was fired this year. OK, ED Coaching Committee Search Team, who would you get to come here ( or better yet what coach would want to come here) after allowing JoeMo only two years, including the crap that he has had to put up with this year on the suspensions and injuries, which is beyond his control. I don't know whether he has the type of demeanor to be an SEC Coach, or whether his offensive scheme will work well in the SEC. We don't know that yet, but wanting to fire him after the 3rd game of his second season is pretty overboard and not even realistic.

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We wouldn't be able to hire any D1 Head football coach.. not to mention we would have to pay a 3 year buyout.
So do you want to take a chance on some fcs coach or a power 5 oc coordinator again?

Some of these posters are far too emotional and not looking at the big picture.. we were missing our starting qb. Our backup qb played as hard as he could and has a very promising career ahead of him.
Pile that on to the suspensions and we just aren't a great team.

All this comparison of rankings of players is just dumb. a 4 star freshmen DL is not the same as a 4th year starter 3 or 4 star.

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Originally Posted by ScoobaDawg

We wouldn't be able to hire any D1 Head football coach.. not to mention we would have to pay a 3 year buyout.
So do you want to take a chance on some fcs coach or a power 5 oc coordinator again?

Some of these posters are far too emotional and not looking at the big picture.. we were missing our starting qb. Our backup qb played as hard as he could and has a very promising career ahead of him.
Pile that on to the suspensions and we just aren't a great team.

All this comparison of rankings of players is just dumb. a 4 star freshmen DL is not the same as a 4th year starter 3 or 4 star.

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Exactly

I think this year shows us a few things that everyone has to keep in mind about MSU football -

First - whether you like it or not, our program will probably never be immune from having a down year come thru every 3-4 years. The margins are too small for us not to. It can still literally only take 1-2 injuries or suspensions to have major impacts on the team. Throw in 10 suspensions and 6 injuries - and it is a recipe for a disaster. Add a couple of bad recruiting classes and your roster can be screwed for a year. Remember, we are only two seasons removed from 5-7. For all the pluses of Dan, we had 4 seasons of his 9 where we struggled to get bowl eligible. Thinking that struggling to get to 6 wouldn't happen again isn't realistic (and I say this admitting I didn't think it would be this year).

Second - we can not let a coach spend years taking advantage of us. The performance on the field is on Joe. The personnel he has been dealt is on the asshole who gave up on MSU in 2015. Period. The man stole from us - and thank god Cohen and/or Keenum put his ass on notice after Loafers went south or this is what we would have been watching for the past 2 years as well. If they don't ream him and motivate him to rescue himself via Grantham and a JUCO recruiting hail mary, think about where things would be right now. Think about that 2016 signing day melt down and remember that class was the sign of what ole Danny Two Gloves thought about us. Also remember that that is this year's JR.'s & Sr.'s

Third - Joe has got to mature as a coach and realize he is not infallible and his system isn't either. Learn that, and I think he will be a success.

Fourth - We never, ever, need to expect that we are better or "have more talent" than any P5 school. For a fan base that goes on and on about how off the star system is, and how we find diamonds, etc. etc., you would think that we would realize that there are about 70 other P5 programs in that same boat. With the P5 requirement for our schedule, it's going to impact us - and we are 2-2 now over the past 4 years against BYU and KSU. Learn from it folks, the days of an automatic 4 OOC wins is over.

And finally - I say this living 10 hours away and being unable to get to more than a game year (if I'm lucky) - show up and support this team and our school. I had season tickets for a decade when I lived within reasonable driving range. I drove from Atlanta many, many times to watch us lose to Troy, Louisiana-Monroe, La Tech, and tie MF Arkansas State! Every single one of us has sat through very shitty football at MSU in stadiums that were a lot fuller than what we have seen the past 2 weeks. The absolute worst thing we can do as a fanbase is treat this team the way our fans have treated our basketball team. There is a lot talk on here about the team effort, leadership, etc. - and we aren't applying that same expectation to the fan base. We expect the players to work hard and overcome adversity - and yet we bail every time something doesn't turn out the way we want it. There are plenty of tickets available - so go if you can.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

I think this year shows us a few things that everyone has to keep in mind about MSU football -

First - whether you like it or not, our program will probably never be immune from having a down year come thru every 3-4 years. The margins are too small for us not to. It can still literally only take 1-2 injuries or suspensions to have major impacts on the team. Throw in 10 suspensions and 6 injuries - and it is a recipe for a disaster. Add a couple of bad recruiting classes and your roster can be screwed for a year. Remember, we are only two seasons removed from 5-7. For all the pluses of Dan, we had 4 seasons of his 9 where we struggled to get bowl eligible. Thinking that struggling to get to 6 wouldn't happen again isn't realistic (and I say this admitting I didn't think it would be this year).

Second - we can not let a coach spend years taking advantage of us. The performance on the field is on Joe. The personnel he has been dealt is on the asshole who gave up on MSU in 2015. Period. The man stole from us - and thank god Cohen and/or Keenum put his ass on notice after Loafers went south or this is what we would have been watching for the past 2 years as well. If they don't ream him and motivate him to rescue himself via Grantham and a JUCO recruiting hail mary, think about where things would be right now. Think about that 2016 signing day melt down and remember that class was the sign of what ole Danny Two Gloves thought about us. Also remember that that is this year's JR.'s & Sr.'s

Third - Joe has got to mature as a coach and realize he is not infallible and his system isn't either. Learn that, and I think he will be a success.

Fourth - We never, ever, need to expect that we are better or "have more talent" than any P5 school. For a fan base that goes on and on about how off the star system is, and how we find diamonds, etc. etc., you would think that we would realize that there are about 70 other P5 programs in that same boat. With the P5 requirement for our schedule, it's going to impact us - and we are 2-2 now over the past 4 years against BYU and KSU. Learn from it folks, the days of an automatic 4 OOC wins is over.

And finally - I say this living 10 hours away and being unable to get to more than a game year (if I'm lucky) - show up and support this team and our school. I had season tickets for a decade when I lived within reasonable driving range. I drove from Atlanta many, many times to watch us lose to Troy, Louisiana-Monroe, La Tech, and tie MF Arkansas State! Every single one of us has sat through very shitty football at MSU in stadiums that were a lot fuller than what we have seen the past 2 weeks. The absolute worst thing we can do as a fanbase is treat this team the way our fans have treated our basketball team. There is a lot talk on here about the team effort, leadership, etc. - and we aren't applying that same expectation to the fan base. We expect the players to work hard and overcome adversity - and yet we bail every time something doesn't turn out the way we want it. There are plenty of tickets available - so go if you can.

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Good Post

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

I think this year shows us a few things that everyone has to keep in mind about MSU football -

First - whether you like it or not, our program will probably never be immune from having a down year come thru every 3-4 years. The margins are too small for us not to. It can still literally only take 1-2 injuries or suspensions to have major impacts on the team. Throw in 10 suspensions and 6 injuries - and it is a recipe for a disaster. Add a couple of bad recruiting classes and your roster can be screwed for a year. Remember, we are only two seasons removed from 5-7. For all the pluses of Dan, we had 4 seasons of his 9 where we struggled to get bowl eligible. Thinking that struggling to get to 6 wouldn't happen again isn't realistic (and I say this admitting I didn't think it would be this year).

Second - we can not let a coach spend years taking advantage of us. The performance on the field is on Joe. The personnel he has been dealt is on the asshole who gave up on MSU in 2015. Period. The man stole from us - and thank god Cohen and/or Keenum put his ass on notice after Loafers went south or this is what we would have been watching for the past 2 years as well. If they don't ream him and motivate him to rescue himself via Grantham and a JUCO recruiting hail mary, think about where things would be right now. Think about that 2016 signing day melt down and remember that class was the sign of what ole Danny Two Gloves thought about us. Also remember that that is this year's JR.'s & Sr.'s

Third - Joe has got to mature as a coach and realize he is not infallible and his system isn't either. Learn that, and I think he will be a success.

Fourth - We never, ever, need to expect that we are better or "have more talent" than any P5 school. For a fan base that goes on and on about how off the star system is, and how we find diamonds, etc. etc., you would think that we would realize that there are about 70 other P5 programs in that same boat. With the P5 requirement for our schedule, it's going to impact us - and we are 2-2 now over the past 4 years against BYU and KSU. Learn from it folks, the days of an automatic 4 OOC wins is over.

And finally - I say this living 10 hours away and being unable to get to more than a game year (if I'm lucky) - show up and support this team and our school. I had season tickets for a decade when I lived within reasonable driving range. I drove from Atlanta many, many times to watch us lose to Troy, Louisiana-Monroe, La Tech, and tie MF Arkansas State! Every single one of us has sat through very shitty football at MSU in stadiums that were a lot fuller than what we have seen the past 2 weeks. The absolute worst thing we can do as a fanbase is treat this team the way our fans have treated our basketball team. There is a lot talk on here about the team effort, leadership, etc. - and we aren't applying that same expectation to the fan base. We expect the players to work hard and overcome adversity - and yet we bail every time something doesn't turn out the way we want it. There are plenty of tickets available - so go if you can.

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Just curious, where did the Kansas st classes rank? I'll help...

2016 - 72nd
2017 - 61st
2018 - 66th
2019 - 62nd

Lol @ blaming this loss on Mullen's recruiting

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Just curious, where did the Kansas st classes rank? I'll help...

2016 - 72nd
2017 - 61st
2018 - 66th
2019 - 62nd

Lol @ blaming this loss on Mullen's recruiting

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I'm not defending that post but, as ranked by whom? The ones rating these kids are a bunch of fan site writers. Those are the people that assign stars, think about that for second.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Just curious, where did the Kansas st classes rank? I'll help...

2016 - 72nd
2017 - 61st
2018 - 66th
2019 - 62nd

Lol @ blaming this loss on Mullen's recruiting

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Lot of seniors starting for K State. Experience matters. Remember we plugged in one of the most highly recruited dual threat QBs in the country as a freshman. He played like a freshman. You think he misses some of those throws or makes those bonehead decisions as a senior?

That loss is on 10 guys who thought they mattered more than the team. You can call out Joe too. He made some head scratchers. No coach is infallible but it's not all on him.

Well I hate to tell you guys if we lost bc of talent Saturday, we will lose a crap load more bc KSU isn't talented as Kentucky, LSU, auburn, aTm, and Bama.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

I'm not defending that post but, as ranked by whom? The ones rating these kids are a bunch of fan site writers. Those are the people that assign stars, think about that for second.

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I'll play devil's advocate here, I agree recruiting rankings are subjective and largely project perceived potential rather than actual calculated production. How amny 5* kids that were 'can't miss' didn't pan out or live p to expectations? Having said that, I think what we have with Moorhead is a coach that can recruit better than Mullen but can't coach the talent he brings in; Mullen could not (or would not - take your pick) recruit well but could get every ounce of talent and effort out of what he had.

So here we are, Moorhead is the polar opposite of Mullen in recruiting vs. coaching. We may get more talented players with Moorhead but if the development never matches the recruiting what good is it? Is it more comforting to lose with less talent but more effort? My preference is based on the sample size thus far is less talent and better coaching.

I said it last year and will say it again now - it is clear Moorhead isn't the guy. The longer we keep him, the tougher it will be to climb out of the hole he leaves.

I understand winning 8 games and then possibly 6 or whatever we end up with this year, with our history, makes it difficult to fire a coach 2 years in. I'm not saying it will happen or that I will be upset with our administration if they don't do it.

But the bottom line is, he isn't the guy and the longer it takes to try to find someone else, the tougher it will be.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Well I hate to tell you guys if we lost bc of talent Saturday, we will lose a crap load more bc KSU isn't talented as Kentucky, LSU, auburn, aTm, and Bama.

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You're confusing talent with experience. Talent is great but if you don't have actually experience to mold that talent and focus it then it's raw and unpredictable. Again see Garrett Shrader.

You want Joe to be the one and only problem with this team. I'm sure you were quick to defend any of Mullen's bonehead decisions.

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Originally Posted by TrapGame

You're confusing talent with experience. Talent is great but if you don't have actually experience to mold that talent and focus it then it's raw and unpredictable. Again see Garrett Shrader.

You want Joe to be the one and only problem with this team. I'm sure you were quick to defend any of Mullen's bonehead decisions.

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Nah, I let Mullen have it all the time. I like to think I call it like I see it.

3 main factors this season are contributing to our regression.

1. Suspensions and injuries- this is obvious we arent Bama losing 10 players and 6 more to injury for multiple game is hurting us. We are wasting redshirt years due to the selfishness of a few.

2. Coaching- but not necessarily who you think. Joey Jones has been abysmal figure it out or cut him loose. Deke Adams we have regressed on the DLine losing Baker hurt. Offensively losing Tommy was the killer but Joe has to get more creative and incorporate some short game for a freshman QB.

3. S&C staff regardless of our edge and physicality this is the first season I can remember where we look out of shape. We talked in preseason about the weight gain of our roster and it looks to be a problem. Go hire the best S&C coach u can get with a track record. We are an SEC program we cant miss on these hires.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Just curious, where did the Kansas st classes rank? I'll help...

2016 - 72nd
2017 - 61st
2018 - 66th
2019 - 62nd

Lol @ blaming this loss on Mullen's recruiting

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I specifically said that the on field performance was on Joe.

It's funny to me that when we were recruiting in the 30s and beating teams like AU, LSU, & A&M the recruiting rankings were crap, and didn't accurately reflect talent developed by MSU - but it doesn't apply when Kentucky, or KSU is beating us.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Well I hate to tell you guys if we lost bc of talent Saturday, we will lose a crap load more bc KSU isn't talented as Kentucky, LSU, auburn, aTm, and Bama.

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Oh, now Kentucky has LSU/Auburn level talent?? Recruiting ranking says they dont

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Nah, I let Mullen have it all the time. I like to think I call it like I see it.

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Every coach makes boneheaded decisions. Mullen and Stoops tried to out retard each other in the 4th quarter Saturday night. Hell, Saban even makes a questionable decision every once in a while. But, a bonehead decision is magnified if your starting QB is out and 10 guys are suspended including valuable starters on defense.

Now with that said...

I want to see a focused team Saturday and I want Joe coaching with some fire. We need this win and I want that need to be manifest in the faces of the players and coaches!

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

I specifically said that the on field performance was on Joe.

It's funny to me that when we were recruiting in the 30s and beating teams like AU, LSU, & A&M the recruiting rankings were crap, and didn't accurately reflect talent developed by MSU - but it doesn't apply when Kentucky, or KSU is beating us.

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Spin away... I didn't say recruiting rankings were to blame for this loss, but you did, or strongly insinuated it.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Oh, now Kentucky has LSU/Auburn level talent?? Recruiting ranking says they dont

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Huh? Kentucky is more talented than KSU. No sure where you got this