Nick Weatherspoon

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I knew dozens of math and engineering majors who took Physics 2 and none of them cheated, at least not on the level of programming a cheat sheet into their calculator for an exam, which at the absolute most lenient would be an automatic F in the course, and probably an expulsion too.

I would assume every professor would make people clear the memory from their calculators just in case to prevent this kind of cheating, so it's not a very clever way to cheat anyway.

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Majored in Chemistry back in the old days. 26 hrs physics, 23hrs math and 70 odd hrs in chem counting labs. We didn't have calculators. Ahh, but we had the slide rule. Try storing something on that. Most of those tech profs handed out tests when you got to class that you completed on paper they handed out. You could bring a little scratch paper, but that's about all you could bring with you. Slide rule and scratch paper. Scared to try to cheat on chem profs like Sheely and Henley. Most made up new tests each semester. You could look for similarities as some old tests floated around, but generally hard to get. Sounds like much harder to cheat back then, especially with class sizes of 15-30. Profs were in control usually.

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Originally Posted by mstatefan91

Donation and bribe are two very different things

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They were also getting athletic scholarships, for a fee, in sports they'd never even played, and in at least one case the guy at IMG Academy took the SAT for one of the kids. It's not just the two "stars" that are in trouble; it's a wealth of other people, including administrators and coaches.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I don't think there's anything wrong with it legally but you're taking a spot away from a potentially more qualified kid who probably worked harder but just doesn't come from a rich family. America shouldn't be about whose the richest parents being able to make their kids successful with their money. It should be about the most talented and hardest working kids making themselves successful on their own.

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That's true for legacy kids too (those whose family attended the university in question). But it's also true for other groups, like females, racial minorities, and athletes to name a few. Those groups keep potentially more qualified kids out of the school too. Many of the top schools ... Ivys, Duke, Stanford, etc. ... don't admit based solely on grades and SAT/ACT scores; outside activites and community service play a strong role (which is probably reasonable).

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

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I seem to remember this as being what happened but I think it was UNC that took the NCAA to court. The court was the one that said it wasn't just being done for athletes. UNC should have lost its accreditation over that. I think they almost did.

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There was no doubt a lot of things going on in the background there. Had it been a school not nearly as prestigious as UNC, they probably would have lost accreditation.

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Originally Posted by Walkerhill

Old tests? Were some of them caught studying too?

Using old tests that are publicly available is not cheating by any measure I ever heard. The professors know that returned tests from previous semesters are out there, and they plan accordingly. Or not - that?s on them.

Storing crap in your calculator is stone cold cheating. If someone was caught doing that it would be serious.

Having someone else take an online test for you during a period you are on national television not taking a test... is super duper cheating.

And yes, they talked to us about these things, every single semester, in every single course, during the first class when they went over the syllabus.

Conflating these 3 levels is senseless. Undermining our universities academic credibility over sports is also senseless.

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I agree on all points.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

I still don't know what is wrong with giving a donation to get your kid into a school you want. Admissions are in a grey area anyway. They can choose who to admit. There is not a clear cut minimum threshold for people. Hell Harvard or Penn State can admit someone that has a 16 on the ACT if they want.

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I suppose they could but I'll bet they never have nor ever will. It's absurd that an college would even think about admitting such a student though. You can make that score merely by random guessing.

I?ll say it again as I?ve said since the day it occurred. He?s done and it has zero, nothing to do with basketball and will not negatively impact anything we win. He is learning from a stupid decision. And he?s not the only athlete involved. The others play sports that are not in season right now.

I hope all of you who bashed me for posting this same stuff weeks ago, learn your lessons as well. I do not post things of this magnitude, that do not come from reliable sources. Same as with Keenum and Loafers/Mullen and Cannizzaro.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

I?ll say it again as I?ve said since the day it occurred. He?s done and it has zero, nothing to do with basketball and will not negatively impact anything we win. He is learning from a stupid decision. And he?s not the only athlete involved. The others play sports that are not in season right now.

I hope all of you who bashed me for posting this same stuff weeks ago, learn your lessons as well. I do not post things of this magnitude, that do not come from reliable sources. Same as with Keenum and Loafers/Mullen and Cannizzaro.

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Well, given there is only one sport not in season that anyone cares about, how many football players will we be losing since you seem to have all the inside info?

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Well, given there is only one sport not in season that anyone cares about, how many football players will we be losing since you seem to have all the inside info?

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He's right on this one. And it's coming. Sorry to be the person to second this info. Won't be as severe as nick's due to different circumstances. But jomo isn't getting off free, unfortunately

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

He's right on this one. And it's coming. Sorry to be the person to second this info. Won't be as severe as nick's due to different circumstances. But jomo isn't getting off free, unfortunately

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Can we please elaborate please? Starters?

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

He's right on this one. And it's coming. Sorry to be the person to second this info. Won't be as severe as nick's due to different circumstances. But jomo isn't getting off free, unfortunately

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The last sentence pertains to losing a football player and not JoMo specifically, right?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

The last sentence pertains to losing a football player and not JoMo specifically, right?

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We’d all know if football was involved as the players wouldn’t be practicing right now. This “multiple sports” bullshit is getting old and unfounded. The football coaches would have been contacted if this had to do with any football players. The football coaches haven’t been contacted in any way. I don’t know why this rumor is continuing to make the rounds.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

The last sentence pertains to losing a football player and not JoMo specifically, right?

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Correct

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

We’d all know if football was involved as the players wouldn’t be practicing right now. This “multiple sports” bullshit is getting old and unfounded. The football coaches would have been contacted if this had to do with any football players. The football coaches haven’t been contacted in any way. I don’t know why this rumor is continuing to make the rounds.

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Ok. Well bookmark it and you can blame suspensions on drug test or whatever. Thats cool.

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

We’d all know if football was involved as the players wouldn’t be practicing right now. This “multiple sports” bullshit is getting old and unfounded. The football coaches would have been contacted if this had to do with any football players. The football coaches haven’t been contacted in any way. I don’t know why this rumor is continuing to make the rounds.

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Hasn't nick been practicing??? Hmmm or at least he was.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Hasn't nick been practicing??? Hmmm or at least he was.

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This has nothing to do with football.

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Originally Posted by MarketingBully

This has nothing to do with football.

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Aight.......

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Aight.......

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Dude, just spill it if you know who it is. You say you know something everyone else doesn't but overplay it.

I’m just the average Joe wanting accurate info - I wish folks wouldn’t post bs (rougedog) unless they back it up - I don’t know what’s up but come here to try to get accurate info - thanks!

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