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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Ok, you tell me why we should hire Gary. I'm listening.

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I'm not sure we should hire him but I think he's an extremely strong candidate...here's why.

He's already shown he can get THIS team in position to compete for a natty. Guess what...a lot of these guys are back. Some stability would also be nice. He's proven he can lead this guys and get good results. The pitching hasn't been great but he has been in a tough spot regarding his duties as HC and pitching coach. If we keep him we need to bring in an elite pitching coach which allows Henderson to lead, be the figure head, and delegate duties, which he's shown a willingness to do this year. He has put his ego aside and done what's best for the team...and here we are.

He's done all this without the fact of the players knowing he's THE guy going forward. What was there from keeping them from just saying "screw this, you won't be around next year so I'm doin it my way and I can play for the next guy". The fact that this didn't happen says an awful lot. How this team competes and plays says an awful lot. The chemistry of this team says an awful lot. The ability to sustain multiple blows and keep fighting says an awful lot. How the players react to him says an awful lot...incould go on

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

The changes for the better during this season have been just a little short of miraculous. You have to offer it to him. A lot of people act like going to Omaha is a MSU birthright. It's not. We are way behind the true blue bloods in that stat.

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Name the coaches we've had since Ron Polk 1.0 that haven't reached the CWS.

I'd like to add that for a long time there were lots of comments and hints at the team having some issues with the coco aka snow white aka comother****ingcaine and since Henderson has taken over not once have people been saying those things are still going on. Henderson took a team that was 2-7 in the SEC and went 9-1 vs the top 10 and won a regional @ Florida State and a supers @ Vanderbilt. That is damn impressive. Henderson got Cole Gordon to look like Noah Syndergaard. You wanna talk about showing improvement in a pitcher you can't get a more drastic improvement in less time than what Gordon did. I like Henderson's calm disposition and that he encourages the players to take ownership of the team. Do we have the rally banana under Cohen? Doubtful. We had the dugout clown show with Cohen. This team was shaking the buss today when they arrived wearing all black cause they were going to Vanderbilt's funeral. This is the kind of swag and confidence you get when you're a no ego coach with a calm demeanor that let's the players rise up and take the bull by the horns. I really think if we pair a stud pitching coach with Henderson and Gueatrux we could be set up to be pretty dang good for awhile.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Name the coaches we've had since Ron Polk 1.0 that haven't reached the CWS.

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How many times have we been?

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Originally Posted by shoeless joe

I'm not sure we should hire him but I think he's an extremely strong candidate...here's why.

He's already shown he can get THIS team in position to compete for a natty. Guess what...a lot of these guys are back. Some stability would also be nice. He's proven he can lead this guys and get good results. The pitching hasn't been great but he has been in a tough spot regarding his duties as HC and pitching coach. If we keep him we need to bring in an elite pitching coach which allows Henderson to lead, be the figure head, and delegate duties, which he's shown a willingness to do this year. He has put his ego aside and done what's best for the team...and here we are.

He's done all this without the fact of the players knowing he's THE guy going forward. What was there from keeping them from just saying "screw this, you won't be around next year so I'm doin it my way and I can play for the next guy". The fact that this didn't happen says an awful lot. How this team competes and plays says an awful lot. The chemistry of this team says an awful lot. The ability to sustain multiple blows and keep fighting says an awful lot. How the players react to him says an awful lot...incould go on

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I hear you. I will say this, because I've got a kid playing college ball and they've been through this a little. The freshmen are the least likely to give up on the coach. It's the older players that take offense to the freshmen taking their spots or who get involved with some of the negativity that create a lot of problems when things aren't going great. The freshmen come in believing it's about winning and giving everything. They want to play and contribute. Sometimes, when things haven't gone the way they should, the older guys give up quicker. I believe having so many freshmen that don't see some of that is a huge plus. Their energy and excitement and play eventually win out if you can start the snowball rolling. It think Henderson made sure that snowball got rolling.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

I'd like to add that for a long time there were lots of comments and hints at the team having some issues with the coco aka snow white aka comother****ingcaine and since Henderson has taken over not once have people been saying those things are still going on. Henderson took a team that was 2-7 in the SEC and went 9-1 vs the top 10 and won a regional @ Florida State and a supers @ Vanderbilt. That is damn impressive. Henderson got Cole Gordon to look like Noah Syndergaard. You wanna talk about showing improvement in a pitcher you can't get a more drastic improvement in less time than what Gordon did. I like Henderson's calm disposition and that he encourages the players to take ownership of the team. Do we have the rally banana under Cohen? Doubtful. We had the dugout clown show with Cohen. This team was shaking the buss today when they arrived wearing all black cause they were going to Vanderbilt's funeral. This is the kind of swag and confidence you get when you're a no ego coach with a calm demeanor that let's the players rise up and take the bull by the horns. I really think if we pair a stud pitching coach with Henderson and Gueatrux we could be set up to be pretty dang good for awhile.

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plus 1---spot on

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

How many times have we been?

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10 times total. That puts us in the top 11 in the country by number. About 15 overall. But to say we aren't a blue blood, would be false. We maybe on the outer edge of them, but we're there. And every single HC since Polky has taken us there. Canz obviously isn't here but he recruited a chunk of this team. I believe we can reach the CWS with any good coach. But who can win it for us and get us in that top tier of the blue bloods. Can Gary? I don't think so, but I hope he proves me wrong next week.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Ok, you tell me why we should hire Gary. I'm listening.

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I'm not sure that we should hire him. I just think some people are so blinded by game management decisions they disagree with that they don't always look at the big picture. Look how many people rode Cohen's ass on these boards and would still tell you everything he did wrong instead of enjoying the fact from 2011-2016 we went to 5 regionals, 3 supers, a CWS championship series, won and SEC title and an SEC tourney.

Hendu may or may not be "the guy", but there is something big to be said about the abilities the man has shown this season to create a championship mentality in a situation no one else ever thought was possible.
An almost entirely new pitching staff, 3-4 freshman in the starting lineup, having to replace a Triple Crown winner in your line up, the Tommy Johns, construction messing with the fall, the Cann situation, 11 straight road games to start the season, starting 2-7 in SEC play. Show me another coach who has had a team overcome that much and made it to Omaha?

I'm going to stop saying Gary isn't the guy. I'm going to say I don't think he's the guy. You guys that believe he's the guy, don't know any less than I know about it. Hell, who's to doubt this team can make a run at the CWS? We should be favored to win our first game. OSU is a beast but we can compete with anybody if we play defense.
If Gary is the guy based on Cohen's ideas, then give him the things he needs to win it all. We'll see.

Most are saying Hendo isn't the future BUT what this team is doing you have to think he may be our HC next year.

Cohen has a tough decision but he loves baseball probably more than most, we shall see how this all plays out. Even now I'm not sure if Hendo wants the HC job but after the last two weeks maybe he does!

This thread is long. It seems that most of our problems with Gary are about pitching management decisions. And hell, last night he made me eat a little bit of crow. Still poor management overall this year from him. I think a lot of us could be convinced to keep him for a while if we go out and get the best available pitching coach in the country.

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Originally Posted by bostondawg

This thread is long. It seems that most of our problems with Gary are about pitching management decisions. And hell, last night he made me eat a little bit of crow. Still poor management overall this year from him. I think a lot of us could be convinced to keep him for a while if we go out and get the best available pitching coach in the country.

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This would solve a lot of problems. It's not easy to call pitches, manage the pitching staff, and be a head coach with one less staff member. We crushed Mullen for calling plays and being head coach, but then give no sympathy to Henderson when he's forced to do it.

Find a good young pitching coach that jives with Henderson and I would be fine with that. What we should realize as fans after 3 straight trips to a SR with 3 different coaches is that it's about fit. We don't need a young up and comer for 10 years. We just proved that. We need the right cultural fits. If Cohen thinks Henderson is that fit, then at this point I would be fine with it.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I'm going to stop saying Gary isn't the guy. I'm going to say I don't think he's the guy. You guys that believe he's the guy, don't know any less than I know about it. Hell, who's to doubt this team can make a run at the CWS? We should be favored to win our first game. OSU is a beast but we can compete with anybody if we play defense.
If Gary is the guy based on Cohen's ideas, then give him the things he needs to win it all. We'll see.

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Maybe some of us don't think He is the GUY. But the ones who matter most--The Players--think He is the GUY. His assistant Coaches think He is the GUY. and when all is said and done--well--the proof is in the pudding----and that shit sure taste good today.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Name the coaches we've had since Ron Polk 1.0 that haven't reached the CWS.

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Cann didn’t do it in his only year, but Henderson did taking over for him

Making a CWS isn't what we should be hoping for. Winning it should be. My point being, any good coach can get us there. We've proven that over the history of our program. Who can do more? That's Cohen's job. Find that person. It's Gary? Is it Butch? Is it Ron Polk? Just find him. Then give him what he needs to get it done. Our program is so close.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Name the coaches we've had since Ron Polk 1.0 that haven't reached the CWS.

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So if Henderson wins it all this year, then this is a moot point since no coach in our illustrious history has ever won a Natty. We can't fire a coach that finally wins the big one at State!

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

10 times total. That puts us in the top 11 in the country by number. About 15 overall. But to say we aren't a blue blood, would be false. We maybe on the outer edge of them, but we're there. And every single HC since Polky has taken us there. Canz obviously isn't here but he recruited a chunk of this team. I believe we can reach the CWS with any good coach. But who can win it for us and get us in that top tier of the blue bloods. Can Gary? I don't think so, but I hope he proves me wrong next week.

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Blue Bloods have titles. We don't.

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Cann didn’t do it in his only year, but Henderson did taking over for him

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Okay Clark, you are the logical one on this board, tell us swami what is the most logical choice? Extend Hendo or get somebody else? I'm leaning to the latter.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I hear you. I will say this, because I've got a kid playing college ball and they've been through this a little. The freshmen are the least likely to give up on the coach. It's the older players that take offense to the freshmen taking their spots or who get involved with some of the negativity that create a lot of problems when things aren't going great. The freshmen come in believing it's about winning and giving everything. They want to play and contribute. Sometimes, when things haven't gone the way they should, the older guys give up quicker. I believe having so many freshmen that don't see some of that is a huge plus. Their energy and excitement and play eventually win out if you can start the snowball rolling. It think Henderson made sure that snowball got rolling.

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Agree completely...you are preaching to the choir on that one!

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Making a CWS isn't what we should be hoping for. Winning it should be. My point being, any good coach can get us there. We've proven that over the history of our program. Who can do more? That's Cohen's job. Find that person. It's Gary? Is it Butch? Is it Ron Polk? Just find him. Then give him what he needs to get it done. Our program is so close.

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Credit to you for allowing what's going on to shape your opinion and not defending a position that is in flux. A lot of us think similarly on this coaching search. I'll trust Cohen and support whoever we get. And just like you said...let's make sure whoever it is has all the resources they need to take us to the promised land.