Sankey?s Letter in the gun law.....

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

But you would be in violation of your contract, and one everybody is serious about, unlike the alcholol rules.

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But they CAN'T sue or arrest me, which is what you said they could do.

And I trust EC permit holders more than I do drunks leaving the stadium and driving home as far as my or your safety.

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

Read the law, it's been there for years, everybody is wigging out because most just now realize it's been law.

All this is gonna do now is slow down the lines to get in the stadium because they will now probaly start frisking everybody.

and there is a major difference in a concealed carry permit and the Enhanced permit. Only pertains to EC's

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Once again, the law DOES allow you to be denied entry by rule. What this law is doing is removing that common sense provision. If that weren't the case their would be no "need" to change the law. This is in my mind the absolute most imbecilic thing the Mississippi legislature has ever tried to do since they fought to keep Jim Crow and intergration.

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

But they CAN'T sue or arrest me, which is what you said they could do.

And I trust EC permit holders more than I do drunks leaving the stadium and driving home as far as my or your safety.

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I don't trust all EC permit holders. Some of them WILL be those same drunks, and you know it.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Once again, the law HAS allowed you to be denied entry by rule. What this law is doing is removing that common sense provision. If that weren't the case their would be no "need" to change the law. This is in my mind the absolute most imbecilic thing the Mississippi legislature has ever tried to do since they fought to keep Jim Crow and intergration.

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AGAIN, a rule can't supersede law. Lobby to change the law, if you don't like it

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Originally Posted by Spiderman

AGAIN, a rule can't supersede law. Lobby to change the law, if you don't like it

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Right, and the law allows this rule to be set by individual entities. That is according to the best enhanced carry instructor I know of, AND the local Trooper supervisor that oversees it. That is what this law changes, and that is why th SEC is going to stop playing in MS if it passes. If that's what you want then by all means back this bill as is Is that what you want?

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Actually there was a Democratic Senator brandishing an unloaded one on the Senate floor this morning.

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Why did y?all elect Yosemite Sam to the State Senate?

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

One more time and to the point: If you do not care whether MSU can play at home, or even play, then by all means support this bill. If you do care, then ask your legislator to amend the bill to allow stadiums and arenas, at least at the universities and colleges, to not allow guns. The SEC is serious, ask Arkansas. They provided for this exception in their law similar to this after the SEC sent them this same ultimatum. That's why I started this thread, to point out the choice we face.

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Again Spider, how you feel about the law/rule is irrelevant. Why I posted this here and why it is absolutely sports related is the implications for MSU relative to the SEC. If our rules/laws don't conform to their rules, then .........well.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Why did y?all elect Yosemite Sam to the State Senate?

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No idea, not my district or party. LOL. That being said I am at odds with my party on this till they allow exceptions for sporting events and courthouses, and yes, the Capitol. Emotions run high in all of them, and alcohol does in the first one, and probably the last one. ;)

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Right, and the law allows this rule to be set by individual entities. That is according to the best enhanced carry instructor I know of, AND the local Trooper supervisor that oversees it. That is what this law changes, and that is why th SEC is going to stop playing in MS if it passes. If that's what you want then by all means back this bill as is Is that what you want?

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Think about it rationally... what would happen it the SEC does that? You don't think 100 lawsuits would be filed in MISSISSIPPI to block that? If would be a court fight lasting years and years.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

that passed the Mississippi house leaves little doubt that we will no longer be able to have SEC home games if athletic events aren?t exempted. It also hints that we might be removed from the SEC. I favor gun rights but this law is just stupid. Guns have no place in the hands of drunk fans at an athletic event.

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This is not a fight he wants to under take. He will kill the brand

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Right, and the law allows this rule to be set by individual entities. That is according to the best enhanced carry instructor I know of, AND the local Trooper supervisor that oversees it. That is what this law changes, and that is why th SEC is going to stop playing in MS if it passes. If that's what you want then by all means back this bill as is Is that what you want?

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Then have someone take it to the MS Supreme court and let them settle it. Until then, it's the law and it supersedes any rule.

It's not liberal logic in the slightest. ECL holders only have to go to a range and prove they can safely handle a firearm. Their is no enhanced training equal or anywhere comparable to law enforcement officers. My coworker has his and we discussed this at length today.
The real issue is this, should any ECL holder or even a CC license holder be allowed to carry a gun in publically owned venues such as courtrooms and/or sporting venues? What gives the state, local, or federal govt the right to say no, even with a law. That law could be seen as limiting our right to bear arms which the 2nd amendment to the Constitution says that no law will limit my right to bear those arms, which would include a courtroom.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Again Spider, how you feel about the law/rule is irrelevant. Why I posted this here and why it is absolutely sports related is the implications for MSU relative to the SEC. If our rules/laws don't conform to their rules, then .........well.

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MSU will do whatever it needs to not get kicked out of the SEC. Allowing guns in stadiums isn't more important to MSU than staying in the SEC. You're getting worked up over nothing.

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

No idea, not my district or party. LOL. That being said I am at odds with my party on this till they allow exceptions for sporting events and courthouses, and yes, the Capitol. Emotions run high in all of them, and alcohol does in the first one, and probably the last one. ;)

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Brings to mind the fracases we've seen recently of the congressmen in some countries where they literally had a knockdown, dragout fisticuff and 'rassling' match. I wonder how it would have been if those guys had been totin' .45's? Many of our representative don't have much more sense than these guys.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

The real issue is this, should any ECL holder or even a CC license holder be allowed to carry a gun in publically owned venues such as courtrooms and/or sporting venues? What gives the state, local, or federal govt the right to say no, even with a law. That law could be seen as limiting our right to bear arms which the 2nd amendment to the Constitution says that no law will limit my right to bear those arms, which would include a courtroom.

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What about airports or planes? The 2nd amendment wasn't meant for bringing a gun into a football stadium.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

MSU will do whatever it needs to not get kicked out of the SEC. Allowing guns in stadiums isn't more important to MSU than staying in the SEC. You're getting worked up over nothing.

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It won't be about MSU.... It will be about Mississippians. IF you think that Mississippi elected officials will consider that over being re-elected you are fooling yourself.

Now... my Personal opinion is I see no need in carrying one to a game. But I can not speak for others......

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

What about airports or planes? The 2nd amendment wasn't meant for bringing a gun into a football stadium.

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Please show me where it states it's limited in any place....

If this passes or is upheld me and my family won’t be attending sporting events in MS again. I’m all for the freedom to carry a firearm but a large, full stadium or arena is THE epitome of a soft target and is already impossible to secure without having several hundred extra guns thrown into the mix (with alcohol and emotions thrown in). There is nothing a regular citizen with an enhanced carry can do with a gun in a full stadium that won’t end with him/her hurting innocent bystanders. I don’t many (if any) have regular training for that situation.

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Originally Posted by Coach007

Please show me where it states it's limited in any place....

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Try taking a gun on a plane. See what happens.

1) ECL folks aren't trained anywhere near the level of LEO. Period end of discussion.

2) Every professional team and high school venue bans weapons so why can't colleges?

3) Is it worth the risk of losing the 9 figures a year that college athletics brings into the state of MS?

4) It's funny seeing the tea party argue against their own arguments used for other bills passed in prior years.