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03-12-2017, 04:32 PM
1bigdawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Your issue is with Mullen then, not hev. If you have to make a coach fire an assistant, you might as well fire the HC.

Are you Hevesy?????
03-12-2017, 04:35 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by 1bigdawg

Are you Hevesy?????

He's my role model. Hev is the man I one day hope to be.
03-12-2017, 05:47 PM
BayouDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Your issue is with Mullen then, not hev. If you have to make a coach fire an assistant, you might as well fire the HC.

I think Dan has done a solid job. It is obvious that Hev has been holding us back though. So I'm not gonna carry water for that. My opinion won't get anyone fired though so you and liver can relax.
03-12-2017, 05:48 PM
Turfdawg67

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Originally Posted by Human Meat

We obviously cannot recruit offensive linemen. We will max out at 9/10 level until we correct this. I am not attempting to denigrate Mullen because he does many things well. I am simply pointing out the barrier to elite success.

Bout all you've done in your 30 something posts. Probably a 17'n bear...
03-12-2017, 05:49 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BayouDawg

I think Dan has done a solid job. It is obvious that Hev has been holding us back though. So I'm not gonna carry water for that. My opinion won't get anyone fired though so you and liver can relax.

And mine won't get Hev retained so you can relax also
03-12-2017, 05:54 PM
BayouDawg

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Originally Posted by msstate7

And mine won't get Hev retained so you can relax also

So is now the time we join hands around the fire and sing kumbaya?
03-12-2017, 05:56 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by BayouDawg

So is now the time we join hands around the fire and sing kumbaya?

I could use a fire. I'm freezing at baseball game
03-12-2017, 06:11 PM
Turfdawg67

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Vs the top 3 in the SEC West 2015:

LSU- 26 carries/43 yards
Alabama- 42 carries/89 yards
Ole Miss- 34/148 yards

vs Top 3 in the SEC West- 2016:

LSU- 32 carries/56 yards
Auburn- 33 carries/103 yards
Alabama- 35 carries/94 yards

Those are the numbers we put up vs the top of the SEC West year in and year out(2014 was the outlier and we all know this). It's why we never are any kind of legit threat to push for the West title. Its also why we wont be until we recruit better on the OL

I guess if LSU wants to win the West they'll have to recruit OL better too...

LSU vs AL

2015: 26 carries/54 yards
2016: 27 carries/33 yards
03-12-2017, 06:13 PM
lamont

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Originally Posted by Turfdawg67

I guess if LSU wants to win the West they'll have to recruit OL better too...

LSU vs AL

2015: 26 carries/54 yards
2016: 27 carries/33 yards

LSU is changing their offense- wanna bet they rush for more yards vs Bama this year?????
03-12-2017, 06:23 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Your issue is with Mullen then, not hev. If you have to make a coach fire an assistant, you might as well fire the HC.

That's a ridiculous take. And how shit like Ron Polk II actually happens at MSU. You tell Dan to re-assign Hevesy within the football program front office which is commonly done or no extension. 4.5 million or Hevesy? What's it going to be Dan?
03-12-2017, 06:26 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

That's a ridiculous take. And how shit like Ron Polk II actually happens at MSU. You tell Dan to re-assign Hevesy within the football program front office which is commonly done or no extension. 4.5 million or Hevesy? What's it going to be Dan?

Yeah, he just signed an extension. Dan has done a good job here and I don't think he needs cohen telling him how to coach football
03-12-2017, 06:38 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Yeah, he just signed an extension. Dan has done a good job here and I don't think he needs cohen telling him how to coach football

He doesn't need Cohen to tell him how to coach football- he needs Cohen to tell him to get rid of his albatross of an o-line coach.
03-12-2017, 06:43 PM
Maroon Wizardry

LSU and Oregon can both pull that offer without any backlash... we better make dam sure when we offer that it is legit when it is in our backyard. I'm not a fan of the whole get them to camp before we offer on everybody but i'd wait a little before losing my brains... Also how do we know he hasn't double secret committed already?
03-12-2017, 08:10 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

He doesn't need Cohen to tell him how to coach football- he needs Cohen to tell him to get rid of his albatross of an o-line coach.

Well Cohen would have to do it because Dan is not firing or "reassigning" his buddy. That is the whole issue in that Dan seems to hold coaches that are not is his buddy circle to a much different standard than he does the ones that are, especially Hevesy. We can certainly be a program that routinely wins 6-8 regular season games most years with Hevesy on staff but we certainly can't max out the potential of our program with Hevesy recruiting and running the OL. And you could also say that about some other assistants we've had during Mullen's tenure, the difference with those though is that Dan was more than happy to show them the door.
03-12-2017, 08:34 PM
HSVDawg

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Originally Posted by Maroon Wizardry

LSU and Oregon can both pull that offer without any backlash... we better make dam sure when we offer that it is legit when it is in our backyard. I'm not a fan of the whole get them to camp before we offer on everybody but i'd wait a little before losing my brains... Also how do we know he hasn't double secret committed already?

Best take yet from this thread (except maybe the double-secret committed part). This is essentially the reverse of the Keith Holcombe situation with Bama from a few years ago. The point about us not being able to pull the offer later is especially accurate. We can't **** up and piss off an MSU legacy and MS high school coaching staff by pulling an offer from a kid during or after his senior year if he turns out to not be SEC caliber. The fact that both State and OM appear to be keeping him warm tells me that is a possibility. I'm sure he will get an invite to Big Dawg Camp and if he impresses he will get an offer there. If he gets that offer but sticks with LSU all the way through the process, then we can definitely say it was a mistake and laziness from our staff.
03-12-2017, 09:41 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Well Cohen would have to do it because Dan is not firing or "reassigning" his buddy. That is the whole issue in that Dan seems to hold coaches that are not is his buddy circle to a much different standard than he does the one that are, especially Hevesy. We can certainly be a program that routinely wins 6-8 regular season games most years with Hevesy on staff but we certainly can't max out the potential of our program with Hevesy recruiting and running the OL. And you could also say that about some other assistants we've had during Mullen's tenure, the difference with those though is that Dan was more than happy to show them the door.

I have no problem is Cohen does it.
03-13-2017, 08:53 AM
Liverpooldawg

I saw in the Daily Journal this morning his offer list was Troy and Tulane prior to last week. If we had offered him with that list there would have been nearly as much bitching as there was as is. This one is a head scratcher.
03-13-2017, 09:20 AM
dawgday166

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Originally Posted by HSVDawg

Best take yet from this thread (except maybe the double-secret committed part). This is essentially the reverse of the Keith Holcombe situation with Bama from a few years ago. The point about us not being able to pull the offer later is especially accurate. We can't **** up and piss off an MSU legacy and MS high school coaching staff by pulling an offer from a kid during or after his senior year if he turns out to not be SEC caliber. The fact that both State and OM appear to be keeping him warm tells me that is a possibility. I'm sure he will get an invite to Big Dawg Camp and if he impresses he will get an offer there. If he gets that offer but sticks with LSU all the way through the process, then we can definitely say it was a mistake and laziness from our staff.

I might agree with this except ... we take so many other OL projects who are busts. If he is a bust not sure that would make a huge difference. Hell, I believe he could at least be like Desper and go through his entire junior year never hitting a soul when run blocking.
03-13-2017, 09:22 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I saw in the Daily Journal this morning his offer list was Troy and Tulane prior to last week. If we had offered him with that list there would have been nearly as much bitching as there was as is. This one is a head scratcher.

Yes, but it's also fairly early in the process. When Oregon and LSU offer someone and Oregon's coach used to be at Alabama that says a lot. Even worse, Smith was at one of our practices like a week ago.
03-13-2017, 09:30 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

I might agree with this except ... we take so many other OL projects who are busts. If he is a bust not sure that would make a huge difference. Hell, I believe he could at least be like Desper and go through his entire junior year never hitting a soul when run blocking.

If you look at our o-linemen numbers we aren't taking enough as it is if anything from a pure numbers standpoint- I would guess we're only averaging about three high school o-linemen a class. But those three are "projects" because the ones that we aren't getting are the ones that have offers from other schools much of the time, so that's literally all we're left with by default. Otherwise we would have no o-line recruits period. That's why we have to take so many JUCO's- and the bad thing there is often times again we're taking projects like Phillips so there's not really any relief. The highest rated o-linemen we actually have landed the past two cycles from a star standpoint was Martinas Rankin- and not coincidentally it looks like he is our best o-line prospect we've had in awhile.

And when you take three projects a year at a position group that is already difficult to evaluate- you make your margin for error a lot less because the only way that is ever going to work is for us to find three projects and actually have them all pan out.

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