Saw a post from David Murray about Juco's...

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

And who is to thank for that? Croom and JWS sure struggled with those teams. That's why the point doesn't work, they had the same type of scheduling and couldnt get it done. Our SOS on average is harder under Mullen than is was under JWS. And when Mullen got here we only had a what? $30-35 MIL budget. The money part hasn't come into play until the last few years. That's why it's a tired argument that statistically isn't true. The narrative is we added an incredibly weak OOC and that's part of why it has been for Dan to win than in the past. It's not true for the vast majority of the years.

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The point absolutely works because this really has only changed in the last 10 years with the rise of the SEC and the budget, facility and exposure change at MSU due to the rise of the SEC in revenues and the SEC network. Of course I will say a Croom coached team would still have trouble with anyone. You are free to have a different opinion but from being a student in the early 80s, OOC games at that time were just as worrisome to try to win as conference games for us. I think USA was Mullen's first loss to a non-P5 team since playing the Houston team with Keenum at QB back in 09.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

We only played 3 non conference for most of Jackies tenure. Anything that happened under croom is irrelevant.

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And that's the only time period it was like that. For much of our history we only played 5-7 SEC games a year. That was what I was alluding to. The JWS comment was that he and Croom struggled with weak OOC opponents. It wasn't scheduling that made it easier to win more games. It was a change in coaches that has helped overcome that in large part.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

The point absolutely works because this really has only changed in the last 10 years with the rise of the SEC and the budget, facility and exposure change at MSU due to the rise of the SEC in revenues and the SEC network. Of course I will say a Croom coached team would still have trouble with anyone. You are free to have a different opinion but from being a student in the early 80s, OOC games at that time were just as worrisome to try to win as conference games for us. I think USA was Mullen's first loss to a non-P5 team since playing the Houston team with Keenum at QB back in 09.

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But the money wasn't that much greater for us for the past decade. We were like 75-80th in country when Mullen arrived. We have grown a lot but it's really been the last 3 years or so that we have made a move to separate us from the lower conference schools. And if the numbers are right we are just now getting to that $90 MIL mark that really puts us into that Top 30ish range

Todd4State - it's about time for you to take a few months off from posting. You are nearing engie levels of desperation and emotion.

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Originally Posted by dawgday166

THIS ^^^^ is why we lose to the Bears. Dan is recruiting kids that are graded on the 10 pt scale and have to pass the ACT to get into college. Freeze is recruiting kids that are so smart they don't have to take the ACT to get into college. They be smarter than our kids ****

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forget the bears ... we still have to get by Samford

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

We only played 3 non conference for most of Jackies tenure. Anything that happened under croom is irrelevant.

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Exactly, the 6-6 records that we made bowl games under Mullen would have been a 5-6 record sitting at home prior to the 12 game schedule because it would have been one less OOC game at least for most of the recent past where we have been playing 8 conference games.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Exactly, the 6-6 records that we made bowl games under Mullen would have been a 5-6 record sitting at home prior to the 12 game schedule because it would have been one less OOC game at least for most of the recent past where we have been playing 8 conference games.

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Really? So you just completely disregard that during that decade of 8 SEC games and 3 OOC games that LSU had 2, 5, 4, 7, 10, 9, 4, 3 and 8 win seasons. There's a bunch of games Mullen wins against those teams. Alabama had 5 season of 8 wins or less, 8, 7, 7(includes bowl win), 4, 3. Auburn 6 years of 8 wins or less including 3 losing seasons, Arkansas starting in 1992 3, 5, 4, 8, 4, 4, 9, 8, 6, 7, 9 wins. And how many of these years overlap where you had multiple teams with losing records or just average. The 4 game OOC being the reason Mullen has won 6 instead of 5 if he had played the 1992-2002 schedule idea is a farce. This idea doesn't match history of what those teams were back then.

ETA. In 2011 5 of our 6 losses were all 10+ game winners and Bama and LSU were 1,2 in the country. 8-5 Auburn was our worse loss.

In 2013 5 of our 6 losses were to teams who won 10 games that year, A & M was 9-4 and ranked 18th. That's the weakest team we loss to that year.

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

Todd4State - it's about time for you to take a few months off from posting. You are nearing engie levels of desperation and emotion.

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Thanks for your concern. How many times have you been banned again?