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Mullen raised the floor
Not to get into a back & forth but how is what we're losing any worse than what say an Arkansas is losing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
ONE win over a team finishing above .500 in league play lol damn.
But we all knew this. Beat those we should, lose to those we "should". Rinse and repeat.
Which teams in the west are going to be improved? Serious question. Ark, miss, and a&m I doubt. Auburn probably. Lsu maybe. Bama is bama.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
It depends on what Kirkland, Henry, Collins and the tall OT that I can't remember his name do. That is basically the entire offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I think their defense stays bad, and even though they got that transfer QB from USC, I think they take a step back for sure.
Whether we win 6 or 8-9 will depend on the OL. They either make huge strides, or they don't. If they don't Fitz won't survive the season. He is a big kid, but Im not sure any QB in the country can be as durable as Dak.
UPig returns 20 of 22 on their defensive 2 deep- that puts them a little better off defensively.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Offensively- there is not as much on their QB's shoulders as it is in our offense. We'll see how Allen's brother does
If Machine Gun Kelly returns, the bears are going to be pretty good. Not as good as this year, but pretty good. A&M is a complete unknown, but they have probably 2 of the top 5 players in the conference on their team. LSU will be improved. Their OL was young, it will be better and their defense was young as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by confucius say
AU has no where to go but up.
Thankfully for us we get UK and USC, two teams that will battle with Vandy for last place in the East.
I don't disagree with any of what you said. My point is to say that Auburn, Arkansas, A&M, & OM will be better than us is based off what? They return a lot of players? Well on paper so do we. We lose a lot of good players well so do they. I think after Bama & LSU there's 5 teams that you really don't have a good grasp of what they are in 2016.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Yes they return a lot on defense of arguably the worst defense in the West. On offense they lose Allen, a minimum of 2 starting OL (Could be 3 if Skipper leaves), along with Collins, & more than likely Hunter Henry. I just don't see what they bring back being any better than what we have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
13 of their 22 on D were Sophs or Fr- that had alot to do with their performance defensively. With 20/22 returing- they more certainly should improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
We lose 4 draft picks on D- we wont be as good in those positions.
We'll see how it plays out
Yep. It will be interesting. Esp if Skipper, Henry, & Collins all leave. A&M & Auburn are going to either right the ship or it's going to sink like the Titanic. Next year is going to be a real make or break year in the West.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Gus has some big road games- OM, State, Georgia, Bammer....Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Right-they are bringing back a lot of players that ain't worth a shit on defense. Whoop de Do. Their QB is what made their offense click. Hunter Henry is gone plus the Hogs have become our BITCH. A&M comes To Vegas with who knows who playing QB. The Rebs won't be better for sure if MGK goes Pro. Auburn might be Better but not a given plus we play them at Home. LSU still doesn't have a QB and Les will let Us keep it close. Then the is Bama and they are Bama to everyone and that Blind Hog is going to find an acorn some day , why not next year. Do we have to be negative for no reason? Have some faith, I think our DBs will be Better and our LBs are a strength. Our DL will be Ok. And Our Offense will be top 5 or 6 in the SEC.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
plus dan doesn't get enough credit for his Red Shirt program. How many RS are going to come board and really be a factor--at least 4 or 5 maybe more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
1. Rankin
2. Jung
3 Lewis
4 one of the RBs
5. Mixon or the other Slot guy-can't think of his name.
6 at least one defensive back.
LSU is loaded with talent every year. I could see them being better next year or I could see them being exactly the same. If I were forced to guess, I'd bet they are slightly better but that it wasn't experience holding them back this year. Miles has just very slowly been losing his edge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Both QB's that weren't very good. How many of their recruiting class is going to be able to make a difference their first season on campus? They certainly could be better, but they have recruited pretty well for a while and yet weren't good this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
The D that let us score 50 on them? If those 9 returning starters were all freshmen and sophomores this year, maybe. Otherwise returning starters from a mediocre defense doesn't seem to be an obviously good thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Weren't they loaded at WR and on the DL this year?Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
How many of their recruits are really going to be significant upgrades as true freshmen?[/QUOTE]Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
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Originally Posted by Coach34
I'm just not seeing it. It certainly could be because LSU, Auburn, and A&M seem to be under performing their talent. But if they don't magically get it together in the upcoming year (and I think one of them will, just not thinking all three will), you have UM, Arkansas, and MSU losing pretty key contributors. It's most likely going to be like this year. Bama will be the class. Then there will be a bunch of flawed teams and a team or two that is a dumpster fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
and that new floor won't leave with him. that's what the "woe is MSU" crowd can't seem to grasp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I'm definitely not a woe as me guy but this is an assumption not a fact. Could someone come in & do better than Mullen? Of course they could. Could someone come in & suck & do worse? Of course they could.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
History actually disputes this statement. By a fairly large percentage. More times than not the new guy may have a good first year (usually happens when hired within the prior staff or a similar style coach comes in) and it declines back to historic levels or it just reverts back immediately. That is by far the norm. A few maintains the floor or it drops just a little. Very few have actually improved upon the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by BoomBoom
I think people are setting themselves up for disappointment here. The coaches looked at what we had with Rankin and then looked at what we had with Warren and Jenkins and decided to redshirt Rankin. He certainly could be a slight upgrade over Warren, but be a significant upgrade after not being able to earn a starting spot this year would require a significant improvement over his RS year. Possible, but just seems unlikely that anyone with the natural ability to be an upgrade over Warren wouldn't ahve been able to get on the field at all this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70