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Actually its a pretty interesting story, that tells a lot about the ends and outs of being in the loop recruiting wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
But with all your contacts you probably know the story.
"The truth? You don't want to know the ****ing truth!"
It's pretty obvious you have the "scoop" on what happened with pollard and are dying to tell it. Go ahead. What happened? I'm sure someone on here wants to hear the ends and outs of this great player and person. I for one, don't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
There is no way all of this back and forth and ends well for the university and athletic teams. Regardless of which side of this you fall on I think it is time to end this. There is no way, if this continues, it has a positive outcome. World class pissing contests between two elements of a fan base involving shady recruiting and how to play the game can only be tantamount to all of us pouring gasoline on an already burning fire.
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Originally Posted by engie
ouch- nice work Engie
I really don't care about Pollard's recruitment. He wasn't a need for us. Hopefully he does well at a lower tier school playing a lower level schedule
it is pretty obvious the only game Ray is playing is "SOLITAIRE". He doesn't have a clue. Meanwhile our Rivals are signing Coaches that hit the ground running. I know the Stansbury haters think that by supporting Ray it hurts RS and makes their AGENDA look better. They are ashamed that their Rant was foolish and don't want to admit they are Idiots when it come to Basketball. Look Stans is gone and Ray was a bigger error than Croom. Just quit making excuses for Ray. The MSU people that I know that have met Rick Ray in behind the scenes meeting have come away shaking their Heads.
I guess the 34 Clan thinks that patting Ray on the Head helps their "Stansbury Is the Devil" rant. As every day passes the Ray Hire looks worse and worse, as we sink lower and lower.
You know I am retired, have been for about 7 or 8 years, but even so, I don't have near the time to waste on a message board or the inclination for that matter.
Which brings me to the question, how the hell does someone like Engie who apparently have all the time in the world to not only park on the boards, but spend the time researching the archivies for quotes, statistics that he does. You on your parents dole, the govt's or independently wealthy and don't have to work or have a very lenient boss?
I know coach gets up early , loads his rubber machines and back home in time for moderating the board and counting his quarters.
The heck are you talking about? I was as big a Stans supporter as there was. Nothing Ray does has any impact on Stans.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
I'm not making excuses. He was legitimately handed a terrible situation, and every rational person knew it would take a few years before real progress was seen. Evidently even some of those have forgotten and are now jumping off the bandwagon.
I wasn't a Stan's hater. I thought he was an underachiever with the talent that we had. Which of course he assembled, kudos to him. However, we had no discipline on or off the court and thought his time had run out. As seen by his last team that was unbelievably talented and we couldn't make the tourney. What has caused me to bash him more though is the Stan's fanatics that absolutely refuse admit that he, Stan's, has any fault in the mess that's here now. He has a lot of responsibility in it. I'm not a rick ray lover. But I've put myself in his shoes and would hope that people would give him a fair chance to prove He could do the job considering the shit storm he took over. Rome wasn't built in a day out of a sandcastle. Everyone wants us to win, well most everyone. Some would bask in their own glory to watch us fail while beating their chests, screaming I told you so. I just think the guy deserves a shot. That's all. And 2 years and one recruiting class on the floor doesn't constitute a fair shot in my eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by tcdog70
Same here. tc, you have every right to your stance on Ray and you may very well be correct in the end. But this thing you have about anyone who supports Ray, or just wants to give him a fair chance, doing so out of spite for Stansbury is beyond insane. There MAY be a shred of truth there in one or two cases who were critical of Stansbury while he was our coach, but I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by smootness
Tennessee's situation is every bit as bad as MSU when Ray took over. Read the article and you'd agree. Don't give me BS of "they just went to the sweet 16". That was with Counzo and then he took his entire signing class and bolted to Cali and said a bunch of terrible shit about how Tennessee treated him. He left Tennessee in worse shape than what we had left after Stansbury got let go. Tyndall took over a team that had four players and zero signees. And a very bad blackeye from Counzo bitching out and saying he was treated poorly.
Let's just assume they are equal situations. So Tyndall should be canned after 2 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
It'd be 3 years after this year and if Tyndall did the job Ray has done the answer is yes. He's off to a much much much better start though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
Agreed Dawg61 but I don't think you will have to worry about that as I believe he will be successful. I hope we return back to the tournament but I am thinking we are staunchly back in the Bob Boyd era which Stricklin is much more to blame in this then Ray could ever be blamed. It really is a big mix of Stans and Stricklin with a sprinkling of Ray thrown in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg61
My biggest expectation this year is for a recruit that Ray actually committed and signed to look like a legit SEC player. So far he has been relying on guys that were either already signed or on the roster.
In year 3 I expect to see some major contributions from guys that Ray actually committed. I hope like hell it happens. I hate when pretty much every game after January is meaningless.
At least this year we can follow recruiting since we should be getting the bear treatment by the media.
Agreed. And I think we get that. This will be "Ray's first real team" at MSU -- with Zuppardo, Daniels, Ndoye, etc. I thought Ready looked like a pretty capable SEC player at times last year, was just too timid with his shooting and got injured too often...Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
How many times on this board does it read, give Ray a chance. He is getting a chance and nothing you nerds can do or say will shorten or lengthen his stay.
And most of the people on here saying give him a chance and help him , do nothing and want somebody else to step up or blame them for not stepping up.
that's not true. He was coming to State until the McDonald's game. That game changed everything for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schultzy
Then what do people gain by bitching about it incessantly?Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg
And what does it help when 95% of your overall posts are in fierce defense of our former coach that is partially responsible for the position we are currently in? HE IS GONE -- and as of next year -- is no longer in any way responsible for the position the basketball program is in. So, at that point, it will be time for everyone to let it go. It really already is, when discussing the future.
LOL - Elitedawgs Remembers...Quote:
Originally Posted by shannondawg