Someone please make me feel ok about basketball going forward

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Originally Posted by mcdawg

But Engie insists that nobody improved under Stans, so how could he improve by 10%?

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Where did I say "no one improved under Stans?" That's right -- I didn't. You were just looking for something to wad your panties up about. Fact -- we didn't see widespread, consistent improvement from player to player across the entire team under Stans that we've seen from year 1 to year 2 under Ray. Sorry that it hurts your feelings when I tell you that.

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Engie, please get off the Stans stuff and just post your info. I know a lot of people are tired of it.

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I'll be "off" Stans when the stench he left the program with is gone. It isn't even close yet. But then again -- you probably think it is Ray's fault that Steele and Lewis are gone -- leaving us both without the SHOOTER we desperately needed -- and the 2nd body at the 5 that COULD have made this a borderline NIT team. Had nothing at all to do with the drug habits and me-first attitude of the players that sank the last coach** Hence how this predicament is STILL his fault in a bunch of ways.

Next year, it's 100% on Ray. Until then...

You're skewing the numbers. Fred Thomas has shot 269 threes and made 70 of them. That's 26%. That means STOP SHOOTING THE ****ING BALL. He's terrible Engie. Good luck to him at Jackson State. He has no business playing SEC basketball nor does Davis and Bloodman. We will be hiring a new coach in 2 more years if y'all keep up this continued love affair with the current players we have. I'm not saying drop all of them. Just 4 of them. I don't have the patience to be some shit basketball team for 2 more seasons. This can be fixed before next season. That's all I see as the option. Not some long drawn out process where we pat Fred Thomas on the back during senior night because he got us to 7 wins in SEC play his last year and he doubled the all-time 3point attempts record for MSU. We've been ****ed over by hundreds and hundreds of players before Fred Thomas so what makes him so special for MSU to suddenly become the Mother Teresa of basketball that's only concerns are to be fair to the players (as long as Ray likes them) and stick with them no matter how bad they are? Tevin Moore is a better basketball player than Jacoby Davis and Bear Wilson needs more minutes as well. Ray doesn't like those two for some reason though. Y'all are out your ****ing skulls if you're trying to turn basketball into 4 year commitments. It's one year and renews. And the biggest problem with that plan is Ray CAN'T DEVELOP BETTER PLAYERS FOR SHIT. Transfers and jucos for the MSU4 for 2015 please. Oh and Tweeder you can just pick a 4th guy. I don't give a shit which one it is as long as the new guy can shoot.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

You're skewing the numbers. Fred Thomas has shot 269 threes and made 70 of them. That's 26%. That means STOP SHOOTING THE ****ING BALL. He's terrible Engie. Good luck to him at Jackson State. He has no business playing SEC basketball nor does Davis and Bloodman. We will be hiring a new coach in 2 more years if y'all keep up this continued love affair with the current players we have. I'm not saying drop all of them. Just 4 of them. I don't have the patience to be some shit basketball team for 2 more seasons. This can be fixed before next season. That's all I see as the option. Not some long drawn out process where we pat Fred Thomas on the back during senior night because he got us to 7 wins in SEC play his last year and he doubled the all-time 3point attempts record for MSU. We've been ****ed over by hundreds and hundreds of players before Fred Thomas so what makes him so special for MSU to suddenly become the Mother Teresa of basketball that's only concerns are to be fair to the players (as long as Ray likes them) and stick with them no matter how bad they are? Tevin Moore is a better basketball player than Jacoby Davis and Bear Wilson needs more minutes as well. Ray doesn't like those two for some reason though. Y'all are out your ****ing skulls if you're trying to turn basketball into 4 year commitments. It's one year and renews. And the biggest problem with that plan is Ray CAN'T DEVELOP BETTER PLAYERS FOR SHIT. Transfers and jucos for the MSU4 for 2015 please. Oh and Tweeder you can just pick a 4th guy. I don't give a shit which one it is as long as the new guy can shoot.

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So numbers that clearly show Thomas has improved since the beginning of conference play are "skewed?"

Has it ever occurred to you that if all these claims and assumptions you make, from unsigned quality scorers being readily available in the region to Ray not playing a 6'5" post player who's barely had any time to learn the schemes because he "doesn't like" him, were as obvious as you seem to believe, then more people would be agreeing with you?

To think bringing in a crew of JUCO players would be any more effective than our current team is just flat-out laughable.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

You're skewing the numbers. Fred Thomas has shot 269 threes and made 70 of them. That's 26%. That means STOP SHOOTING THE ****ING BALL. He's terrible Engie. Good luck to him at Jackson State. He has no business playing SEC basketball nor does Davis and Bloodman. We will be hiring a new coach in 2 more years if y'all keep up this continued love affair with the current players we have. I'm not saying drop all of them. Just 4 of them. I don't have the patience to be some shit basketball team for 2 more seasons. This can be fixed before next season. That's all I see as the option. Not some long drawn out process where we pat Fred Thomas on the back during senior night because he got us to 7 wins in SEC play his last year and he doubled the all-time 3point attempts record for MSU. We've been ****ed over by hundreds and hundreds of players before Fred Thomas so what makes him so special for MSU to suddenly become the Mother Teresa of basketball that's only concerns are to be fair to the players (as long as Ray likes them) and stick with them no matter how bad they are? Tevin Moore is a better basketball player than Jacoby Davis and Bear Wilson needs more minutes as well. Ray doesn't like those two for some reason though. Y'all are out your ****ing skulls if you're trying to turn basketball into 4 year commitments. It's one year and renews. And the biggest problem with that plan is Ray CAN'T DEVELOP BETTER PLAYERS FOR SHIT. Transfers and jucos for the MSU4 for 2015 please. Oh and Tweeder you can just pick a 4th guy. I don't give a shit which one it is as long as the new guy can shoot.

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I'm "skewing" because I'm showing improvement over time? LOL OK. 35.5% over the last month and a half says YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT.
"RAY CAN'T DEVELOP BETTER PLAYERS FOR SHIT?" Congrats on skipping 100% of the stats I provided you showing marked improvement across the board in order to continue blabbering out of your ass. At this point, it's totally impossible to take anything you say about basketball seriously.

You are working hard to become the worst basketball poster on here -- and this is your worst post yet. In fact, this may be the worst basketball post I've seen this year. Congrats on that.

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

To think bringing in a crew of JUCO players would be any more effective than our current team is just flat-out laughable.

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USM is 21-3 with half their players JuCo.. Donnie Tyndell wouldn't take four years.

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Originally Posted by engie

I'm "skewing" because I'm showing improvement over time? LOL OK. 35.5% over the last month and a half says YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT.
"RAY CAN'T DEVELOP BETTER PLAYERS FOR SHIT?" Congrats on skipping 100% of the stats I provided you showing marked improvement across the board in order to continue blabbering out of your ass. At this point, it's totally impossible to take anything you say about basketball seriously.

You are working hard to become the worst basketball poster on here -- and this is your worst post yet. In fact, this may be the worst basketball post I've seen this year. Congrats on that.

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Engie Fred Thomas is horrible. You wanting him to keep chucking threes tells me all I need to know about your basketball IQ. Stick to baseball and jerking off to stats bud. He'd blow at East Mississippi.

Long time reader, first time poster. I post on sixpack from time to time. Engie I'm thankful you are seeing through Dawg61's false sense of basketball IQ. I have held my tongue (on both sites) all season, but I can't anymore. When you read "Tevin Moore is a better basketball player than Davis..." -- all I can do is shake my head in disgust at his ignorance. Immaturity and lack of experience does not equal lack of talent. Granted, Dawg61 is getting this site hits by his idiotic comments, so there's that.

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Originally Posted by Brad Stevens

Long time reader, first time poster. I post on sixpack from time to time. Engie I'm thankful you are seeing through Dawg61's false sense of basketball IQ. I have held my tongue (on both sites) all season, but I can't anymore. When you read "Tevin Moore is a better basketball player than Davis..." -- all I can do is shake my head in disgust at his ignorance. Immaturity and lack of experience does not equal lack of talent. Granted, Dawg61 is getting this site hits by his idiotic comments, so there's that.

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Oh hey dickhead. Welcome to the board.

Thanks for the welcome. Name-calling may improve your self esteem, but it does not improve your basketball intelligence. But surely, you have figured that out by now.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Engie Fred Thomas is horrible. You wanting him to keep chucking threes tells me all I need to know about your basketball IQ. Stick to baseball and jerking off to stats bud. He'd blow at East Mississippi.

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35.5%. Cry about it.

Commenting on basketball IQ is totally hilarious coming from you of all people at this point. You are so smart that NO ONE agrees with you. Just a regular basketball renaissance man.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

You're skewing the numbers. Fred Thomas has shot 269 threes and made 70 of them. That's 26%. That means STOP SHOOTING THE ****ING BALL. He's terrible Engie. Good luck to him at Jackson State. He has no business playing SEC basketball nor does Davis and Bloodman. We will be hiring a new coach in 2 more years if y'all keep up this continued love affair with the current players we have. I'm not saying drop all of them. Just 4 of them. I don't have the patience to be some shit basketball team for 2 more seasons. This can be fixed before next season. That's all I see as the option. Not some long drawn out process where we pat Fred Thomas on the back during senior night because he got us to 7 wins in SEC play his last year and he doubled the all-time 3point attempts record for MSU. We've been ****ed over by hundreds and hundreds of players before Fred Thomas so what makes him so special for MSU to suddenly become the Mother Teresa of basketball that's only concerns are to be fair to the players (as long as Ray likes them) and stick with them no matter how bad they are? Tevin Moore is a better basketball player than Jacoby Davis and Bear Wilson needs more minutes as well. Ray doesn't like those two for some reason though. Y'all are out your ****ing skulls if you're trying to turn basketball into 4 year commitments. It's one year and renews. And the biggest problem with that plan is Ray CAN'T DEVELOP BETTER PLAYERS FOR SHIT. Transfers and jucos for the MSU4 for 2015 please. Oh and Tweeder you can just pick a 4th guy. I don't give a shit which one it is as long as the new guy can shoot.

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It's comments like this that make me more and more confident that you are in fact mentally challenged.

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Originally Posted by Intramural All-American

It's comments like this that make me more and more confident that you are in fact mentally challenged.

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Either that, or he is a 14 year old boy who has played way too much Playstation. "Just drop these 4 players and go sign these 4 players!!! They score lots of pointsssss!!" For those who truly don't know much about basketball, let me teach you something simple: never listen to Dawg61 about anything basketball related.

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Originally Posted by Brad Stevens

Thanks for the welcome. Name-calling may improve your self esteem, but it does not improve your basketball intelligence. But surely, you have figured that out by now.

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Ok genius you're right Jacoby Davis is way better than Moore and he's proven it in the 200 minutes he's gotten compared to Moore's 30 minutes.

Brand Stevens if you were coaching, I would feel much better about our program.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Ok genius you're right Jacoby Davis is way better than Moore and he's proven it in the 200 minutes he's gotten compared to Moore's 30 minutes.

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Jacoby was offered by South Carolina, USC, Seton Hall, Houston, Hofstra, among others.

The best I can tell, Moore did not have one division one offer.

Now, I am not comparing Davis to the best point guards in the country. I just hope you realize that YOU are the one attempting to prove you're a genius against multiple high-level division one coaches and programs. Jacoby is fresh back from an ACL repair playing as a freshman, and many times out of position. While his play needs improvement, it doesn't take a genius to see he has tools that someone like Tevin Moore will never have. It really is a shame I even have to explain that. You're way too quick to turn your back on players and our program. Learn patience, man. This team is growing and gaining valuable experience. We will be okay in a year or two. Chill.

This is John Cohen all over again

Average fan logic is that there is no way we can be getting better because they see us lose. They are unable to understand how much youth kills a team.

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Originally Posted by Brad Stevens

Jacoby was offered by South Carolina, USC, Seton Hall, Houston, Hofstra, among others.

The best I can tell, Moore did not have one division one offer.

Now, I am not comparing Davis to the best point guards in the country. I just hope you realize that YOU are the one attempting to prove you're a genius against multiple high-level division one coaches and programs. Jacoby is fresh back from an ACL repair playing as a freshman, and many times out of position. While his play needs improvement, it doesn't take a genius to see he has tools that someone like Tevin Moore will never have. It really is a shame I even have to explain that. You're way too quick to turn your back on players and our program. Learn patience, man. This team is growing and gaining valuable experience. We will be okay in a year or two. Chill.

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Come on Brad, you pumping up Davis doesn't give you much early cred. I don't care who offered Davis, I'll bet they are glad they don't have him. He should have shoved off with Applewhite. I'll bet you wanted to give Croom another year..

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

Come on Brad, you pumping up Davis doesn't give you much early cred. I don't care who offered Davis, I'll bet they are glad they don't have him. He should have shoved off with Applewhite. I'll bet you wanted to give Croom another year..

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Context is king, my friend. As I said, I am not comparing Davis to other point guard recruits in the country. I am comparing him to Moore which is what Dawg61 freely did. I agree that Ray hasn't brought in great talent, but any former point guard can see Jacoby has a good skill set. He just needs experience and to learn the pace of the college game. Decision-making will catch up with those things. He will never be all SEC, but my argument was that his contribution to MSU will be much higher than Moore's.

Oh, and Clausell will never be an solid SEC left tackle because he sucked as a Freshman