You really need to understand how the situation actually works. No AD on his own can hire or fire a big three or WBB coach without the blessings of the boosters funding the thing now. There is just too much money involved in the firing, procurement and hiring of a new staff not to mention the impact of NIL on these situations.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
And that's bad news for Lebby, since the AD is his personal friend from their old job and would be more inclined to keep him longer than the boosters who are wasting their money on Lebby's teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
I don't expect another miracle win, even like AZ State or even the worst team in the SEC, Arkansas. 45-0, Croom, "I didn't see that one coming" could easily be the result as we didn't show up the last two games. Our "improved" defense is also back at the bottom of the SEC facing another team with a very good RB.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
Next year, in the portal, development , and on the field results will also show quickly if our OL coach can get the job done. His line at Colorado last year was terrible and they were sack city, yet we hire him.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
And what is just weird is this line will let a rusher through untouched one play and the next play they give Shapen four and half seconds to throw the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
Is said we spent quite a bit of money on the portal OL for this year. questionable quality and quantity, (bad evaluations or our favorite excuse the best we could get?). A couple of them don't even dress out for games and several couldn't beat out RS Fr Lewis or true Soph Work who have been forced to play too early and even out of position. JMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapGame
The issue was that some of that money was spent on players before Loadholt got here. When he got here he saw that 2 of the guys we had signed couldn't play and couldn't beat out anyone we currently had. That's why we had to scramble in the spring portal to get Steen and Owens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
It's no excuse because ultimately that does fall on Lebby but it was a thing where we couldn't get Loadholt until after Colorado was done and we couldn't just sit on our hands in terms of lineman either. We also missed on a few guys. I know two of our biggest misses both ended up at OM, Kutas and Townsend.
How does that equate to the performance of the OL at Colorado last year? Even though they have overated Prime as HC, is their quality of OL players even worse than us and we of course are in the brutal SEC?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Also, I just counted and we have 14 WR's on our roster (did not count TE's in this total) and only 2 have really stepped forward this year. Mosley has disappeared and OM transfer has not really stepped up. Again, bad evaluations, or development in this group? Some of the names from the portal don't even have a catch. Is there only so many targets to go around and not enough time from the OL to get more passes off or a combination of all these factors? This was supposedly one of our strongest rooms and only 2 can be depended on. What is your take?
I understand. That's why I know Selmon pretty much had nothing to do with the baseball hire. But he had everything to do with the Lebby hire. I'm sure he pushed and sold the idea of Lebby to the folks that make the decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
I'm just saying if you hired me this spring to be AD at State, I would be meeting with all the money folks and telling them we need a new HC in football if there's not a big change.
Ouch. 14? I haven't really sit down and looked at the full roster. You're right.. we basically have 2 WR. Williams is pretty much non existent. Mosley disappeared. We recruited Stonka as a wr so basically thats another miss even tho he is on defense now. He was highly rated tho so I shouldn't call it a miss. I wonder how many of those 14 are getting paid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
To your question I think it's a combination of both but more of how bad our O Line is. It's historically bad. Even if Shapen has time, it still has to be in the back of his head that he is about to get hit again. So even when there isn't pressure.. there is still pressure due to being hit so much imo.
Burnside was an easy talent to spot and if you saw him play in high school it was no brainer to see he was a safety. Kid is from Starkville and everyone was in his ear he was the next AJ Brown so sign him prove to him he cant cut it a WR then put him where you should. He has all the ability to play Safety on the next level now its up to him to get there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maroon Glasses
That's why I'm not too down on Loadholt right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I think you are looking at things in a vacuum somewhat. Sanders held onto the ball way too long too often at Colorado. Most Colorado fans wanted to keep Loadholt and think he improved their line. Because of the timing of the hire of Loadholt that StarkvilleSteve was talking about I'm giving Loadholt mostly a pass this year but I think we'll see what he can do with a full offseason. Plus he is a lot more familiar with Lebby's offense than Kennedy was so I think there is a good chance he works out. But right now it looks pretty awful. We've also lost our tackles to injuries this year and that's obviously an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Goldendawg
As far as the WR's I think we just tried to get as many guys as we could and hoped that some would emerge. And that has happened with Thompson and Evans. I think Ayden Williams has improved and it was good to see SanFrisco step up against Mizzou. He is young. It would be nice to rotate six guys through at WR but WR is not even close to our biggest issue right now. I saw a graphic a couple of weeks ago about the top 10 WR's in the SEC and four of them either currently played for MSU or played for MSU last year so I think we're doing OK at WR. And of course, a better offensive line helps the WR's out as well as you know too.
To me, if Selmon leaves that pretty much makes Lebby coming back an even bigger slam dunk for 2026 than it is now. No AD is just going to immediately fire the football coach. Selmon didn't even do that with Arnett. Byrne didn't even do that with Croom and he had been working at MSU before he was even named AD. Now, a new AD might fire Lebby after 2026 if it's warranted.Quote:
Originally Posted by DownwardDawg
Stonka is a safety now and listed as so. I'm talking about 14 WR's on this year's roster who are all Lebby's and Bumpus's guys and only two have been successful this year. Some of the portal guys don't even have a catch or see the field except on ST. A FR with one or two catches at the time, was running (told incorrectly) that highly debated play call against FL when our 6th year QB stated that he didn't see a 6'5' 320 nose tackle drop into coverage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Lebby being here in 2027 will be determined by the 2026 season. He did enough this year by beating ASU and Arky to give him another year.
Yep. 3-9 is our ceiling next year. Lots to look forward to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie_Sheen420
Yes, I believe he is. If it were me, I would spend 5 million dollars this offseason for the best OL and DL we can get. Then let Kamario do what he is capable of doing.