Our NIL donors did their part. Lebby let them down.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

The two situations aren't even remotely close. But keep trying

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Kentucky completely dominated them. Held them below 200 total yards snd out-gained them by 216. This board was making fun of stoops for losing than game, and now this board is defending Lebby for losing a game up 17 in the 4th

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Originally Posted by msstate7

So you would fire sark, but keep Lebby? Is this what you're saying?

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How are you not able to see past the record and evaluate Lebby on the improvement. Or have any foresight or projection. I was out on Moorehead after 4 games. I could see he couldn?t run a program or coach. I?ve watched Lebby for nearly 2 seasons. We haven?t won many games but I?m impressed with a lot of things he?s doing. Does he need to improve in some areas? Yes! But that?s the price of hiring an assistant. He?s going through the learning curve. But he?s a leader, runs an offense that moves the ball against more talented teams, and he?s managing the staff well and inspires the players to play hard.

Last question, why do you have to make the same post 500 different ways about Lebby. Do you not understand that harms the program. Not just you, but your butt buddy, and all the idiots on social media.

Our own fans were booing Shapen. I?m embarrassed by half of our fanbase and posters like you and your lover.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

The two situations aren't even remotely close. But keep trying

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You're right they aren't close. Stoops has won dozens of games for Kentucky over the years and taken them to 8 bowls. Kentucky fans who want to keep him at least have a tangible reason why, instead of what they imagine he might be able to do one day.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

How are you not able to see past the record and evaluate Lebby on the improvement. Or have any foresight or projection. I was out on Moorehead after 4 games. I could see he couldn?t run a program or coach. I?ve watched Lebby for nearly 2 seasons. We haven?t won many games but I?m impressed with a lot of things he?s doing. Does he need to improve in some areas? Yes! But that?s the price of hiring an assistant. He?s going through the learning curve. But he?s a leader, runs an offense that moves the ball against more talented teams, and he?s managing the staff well and inspires the players to play hard.

Last question, why do you have to make the same post 500 different ways about Lebby. Do you not understand that harms the program. Not just you, but your butt buddy, and all the idiots on social media.

Our own fans were booing Shapen. I?m embarrassed by half of our fanbase and posters like you and your lover.

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Shapen got booed bc of me? Wow, didn't know I led this revolution from ED

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

How are you not able to see past the record and evaluate Lebby on the improvement.

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Because for the 100th time, we are only "improved" because Lebby was so bad last year! A world where Lebby beats Toledo and Arkansas last year would make me a whole lot more comfortable with him going forward, not less, even though there wouldn't be any "improvement" anymore.

You can't say that last year doesn't count and was totally meaningless because our roster was so bad that any coach would have gotten humiliated by a mid-level MAC team, but then also say that actually Lebby is doing a great job from improving on that now that NIL and the portal gave him a better roster.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Shapen got booed bc of me? Wow, didn't know I led this revolution from ED

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Yeah, thats what I said moron. Why even bother. You are a troll.

Shapen deserved to be booed during the Florida game, but really not against Texas at all. Also, I didn't hear any booing of Shapen yesterday anyway.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Yeah, thats what I said moron. Why even bother. You are a troll.

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I think I'm a nobody that doesn't influence our program one way or the other here on ED. Message boards are relics of the past now. If I had a following on X, maybe, but I don't even post crap there

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Because for the 100th time, we are only "improved" because Lebby was so bad last year! A world where Lebby beats Toledo and Arkansas last year would make me a whole lot more comfortable with him going forward, not less, even though there wouldn't be any "improvement" anymore.

You can't say that last year doesn't count and was totally meaningless because our roster was so bad that any coach would have gotten humiliated by a mid-level MAC team, but then also say that actually Lebby is doing a great job from improving on that now that NIL and the portal gave him a better roster.

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I guess it?s hard for me to accept that people that bother to post on an MSU message board are this dumb. But alas. Hopefully you only represent 1% of our fans.

Any fan I know would have taken 4 wins with overtime losses to Tennessee and Texas and a last second loss at UF before the season started. And he?s done this without our 2 best portal players, Whitson and Fluff. Plus our projected starter at OT in steen.

It?s honestly incredible. That?s why I said 2 weeks ago, I must be in the twilight zone with some of these comments.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

Shapen deserved to be booed during the Florida game, but really not against Texas at all. Also, I didn't hear any booing of Shapen yesterday anyway.

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I think it’s was on the first two drives. Not really after

[QUOTE=msstate7;1674004]I think I'm a nobody QUOTE]

We agree on something

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I think I'm a nobody QUOTE]

We agree on something

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Also hoops, "Last question, why do you have to make the same post 500 different ways about Lebby. Do you not understand that harms the program."

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Any fan I know would have taken 4 wins with overtime losses to Tennessee and Texas and a last second loss at UF before the season started.

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We know things now about Texas and Florida that we didn't know about Texas and Florida at the beginning of the season. And the circumstances of the losses matter too. You're greatly oversimplifying what has occurred this season.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I guess it?s hard for me to accept that people that bother to post on an MSU message board are this dumb. But alas. Hopefully you only represent 1% of our fans.

Any fan I know would have taken 4 wins with overtime losses to Tennessee and Texas and a last second loss at UF before the season started. And he?s done this without our 2 best portal players, Whitson and Fluff. Plus our projected starter at OT in steen.

It?s honestly incredible. That?s why I said 2 weeks ago, I must be in the twilight zone with some of these comments.

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Rational take. I would’ve definitely taken that deal at the beginning of the season. We may still even win 2 more. Hell, maybe by some miracle we win all 4. These last few weeks have sucked. We’re legitimately a couple plays away from a potential playoff berth.

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It?s honestly incredible. That?s why I said 2 weeks ago, I must be in the twilight zone with some of these comments.

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Nobody was talking about firing Lebby 2 weeks ago. Maybe you really were in the twilight zone.

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Nobody was talking about firing Lebby 2 weeks ago. Maybe you really were in the twilight zone.

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After the UF game is what I meant

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Also hoops, "Last question, why do you have to make the same post 500 different ways about Lebby. Do you not understand that harms the program."

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I asked you several legit questions and you just deflect to that and change the meaning. Typical

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Rational take. I would’ve definitely taken that deal at the beginning of the season. We may still even win 2 more. Hell, maybe by some miracle we win all 4. These last few weeks have sucked. We’re legitimately a couple plays away from a potential playoff berth.

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Yep, I really think losing Whitson cost us Tennessee, possibly UF. And not having Fluff and Whitson cost us Texas. Having players can help you overcome bad decisions.

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

We know things now about Texas and Florida that we didn't know about Texas and Florida at the beginning of the season. And the circumstances of the losses matter too. You're greatly oversimplifying what has occurred this season.

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That is actually you oversimplifying. We lost. Fire coach. Thats the simplest, most typical fan response possible. Requires zero thought or evaluation.

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Dodge deflect. Dodge deflect. So shapen sucks. You've said it over and over. Arch sucks. ... we should have won the game. How?? We have better players?? Hell you want Taylor starting and he couldn't read the play on the goal line right Took 3 seconds to throw it.

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KT's throws go off of the other team better and are more catchable than when Shapen throws them off of people.**

I'm being sarcastic but there's probably some MSU fan out there thinking that for real.