Lots of chatter so some may need to brace themselves

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

It's no different than a business with a mortgage.

Once we pay the stadium off which I believe was a 10 year mortgage/loan whatever their terms were it's paid off and then the money that we were using for the stadium becomes profit.

Yes it's a loss now but it's a short term loss that won't exist forever.

Also, when the seat licenses expire which I believe is in 2028 or 2029 you can believe that the prices for those are going to go up and with the 3k waiting list for seats which will equal more profit.

I mean- we do need a stadium and the old one was outdated and it was inevitable that it was going to be renovated or torn down. And that was going to cost money no matter how we did it. And at least we did it right. I can't ask for anything more than that.

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Yes, good points plus in the future things will be much better. Let’s hope our new baseball hire will be excitement which is always a plus.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

You two do realize there is no such thing as trading cash for equity right? When you use cash to pay liabilities, it does nothing to equity. It cancels out?

And yes we budgeted a $3MM loss this year. If you are paying off a stadium and in the red, you?re still operating at a loss? We you are not generating free cash flow you do not have cash to pay buyouts, etc then have to take funds from other sports that pay the bills.

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If you want to be technical, we traded cash for equity in other assets....

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Originally Posted by basedog

Yes, good points plus in the future things will be much better. Let’s hope our new baseball hire will be excitement which is always a plus.

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The fact that we invested so much in a stadium like ours I think will help us land a coach that we want. Even if we did take a loss on the stadium the fact that we even made a commitment is something most schools wouldn't do. And coaches that are complaining about lack of resources being a major reason why they are looking around have a hard time not noticing the AAA baseball stadium on campus.

If it works out- still in progress- that could net MSU multiple championships potentially as well as more exposure. Even if it's not football or basketball any exposure is good for MSU. And that could be parlayed to other sports such as football and basketball as well.

Who we will hire is a big question mark right now. And absolutely critical to get it right. I'm optimistic about it but we'll see how it plays out. We'll find out in about 3-4 weeks if I had to make an educated guess.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

The fact that we invested so much in a stadium like ours I think will help us land a coach that we want. Even if we did take a loss on the stadium the fact that we even made a commitment is something most schools wouldn't do. And coaches that are complaining about lack of resources being a major reason why they are looking around have a hard time not noticing the AAA baseball stadium on campus.

If it works out- still in progress- that could net MSU multiple championships potentially as well as more exposure. Even if it's not football or basketball any exposure is good for MSU. And that could be parlayed to other sports such as football and basketball as well.

Who we will hire is a big question mark right now. And absolutely critical to get it right. I'm optimistic about it but we'll see how it plays out. We'll find out in about 3-4 weeks if I had to make an educated guess.

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Our stadium has nothing to do with who we're going to hire or who we'll attract. Our fan base has nothing to do with who we will hire or who we will attract. The LFL has nothing to do with who we will hire or who we will attract.

Our job is attractive right now for THREE reasons:

1. It's the most high profile job open.

2. It's in the best conference in college baseball by a mile.

3. And this is the most important, these coaches know we're going to invest rev share and NIL into baseball whereas other schools are not.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

thank you

Its great we have a palace for a stadium- but it is costing us

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But in reality we probably built too small for the actual seating area. When you've got 3000+ on a waiting list that's a lot of money we could be taking in that we aren't. Baseball ticket demand will always be there for MSU more than any other sport.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

But in reality we probably built too small for the actual seating area. When you've got 3000+ on a waiting list that's a lot of money we could be taking in that we aren't. Baseball ticket demand will always be there for MSU more than any other sport.

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We built for the demand at the time. If more people would've opted in for tickets then the stadium would've been bigger.

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Originally Posted by basedog

Seems we will get a P5 HC for baseball. Plus he or they have been to CWS. We shall see. I?m good with ?he or they?.

It?s early and things could change.

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I've heard people saying we are looking to "go modern", but I did not expect us to have a legit candidate using "they" as his pronoun.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We built for the demand at the time. If more people would've opted in for tickets then the stadium would've been bigger.

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Not true. The demand was there. Cohen/Stricklin others were concerned about the empty seats at 50% of the games.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Our stadium has nothing to do with who we're going to hire or who we'll attract. Our fan base has nothing to do with who we will hire or who we will attract. The LFL has nothing to do with who we will hire or who we will attract.

Our job is attractive right now for THREE reasons:

1. It's the most high profile job open.

2. It's in the best conference in college baseball by a mile.

3. And this is the most important, these coaches know we're going to invest rev share and NIL into baseball whereas other schools are not.

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I disagree about the stadium and its impact. It is the most tangible thing that we can point to an outsider as evidence that we will commit to baseball.

There is a big difference between MSU baseball and Oklahoma baseball. Or even Georgia.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I disagree about the stadium and its impact. It is the most tangible thing that we can point to an outsider as evidence that we will commit to baseball.

There is a big difference between MSU baseball and Oklahoma baseball. Or even Georgia.

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I feel our stadium is just first, it does show we are committed to baseball, but its nothing that almost any other school in our league can do or are in the process of doing now. I guess some feel that we are unique and that's a selling point but really don't think coaches think that way.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I disagree about the stadium and its impact. It is the most tangible thing that we can point to an outsider as evidence that we will commit to baseball.

There is a big difference between MSU baseball and Oklahoma baseball. Or even Georgia.

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No there's not. Not in the NIL era. Players want to go where they are going to get paid and where they can have a good experience. That is almost every SEC school.

Coaches want to coach at places that can get players and is committed, from an NIL standpoint, to baseball.


Arkansas has a nice stadium, LSU has a nice stadium, Ole Miss has a nice stadium, Florida has a nice stadium, Tennessee has a nice stadium and is upgrading, South Carolina has a nice stadium, Auburn has a nice stadium. Like half the SEC has nice stadiums. And they can still play in our stadium even they don't come here. Stadiums don't matter. Not in today's age.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

No there's not. Not in the NIL era. Players want to go where they are going to get paid and where they can have a good experience. That is almost every SEC school.

Coaches want to coach at places that can get players and is committed, from an NIL standpoint, to baseball.


Arkansas has a nice stadium, LSU has a nice stadium, Ole Miss has a nice stadium, Florida has a nice stadium, Tennessee has a nice stadium and is upgrading, South Carolina has a nice stadium, Auburn has a nice stadium. Like half the SEC has nice stadiums. And they can still play in our stadium even they don't come here. Stadiums don't matter. Not in today's age.

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I?d agree to disagree, but no way to prove it.

Missouri is the one who should capitalize.

Just buy a team.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Not true. The demand was there. Cohen/Stricklin others were concerned about the empty seats at 50% of the games.

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There's empty seats at 50% of the games now. And there was in 2021 as well. We fill that stadium about 4 times a year generally. Opening weekend, SBW, LSU, and [insert random conference opponent having a good year]. And if there's a regional/SR we'll fill it for that.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

I?d agree to disagree, but no way to prove it.

Missouri is the one who should capitalize.

Just buy a team.

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But they're not committed. So they can't get the players and can't attract a good coach.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

There's empty seats at 50% of the games now. And there was in 2021 as well. We fill that stadium about 4 times a year generally. Opening weekend, SBW, LSU, and [insert random conference opponent having a good year]. And if there's a regional/SR we'll fill it for that.

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We don't need a larger stadium. We also don't need berms in both sides. Add seats even if they are fancy cushion Chairbacks in one or both of those. Have a portable bleacher system built that can be rolled out for those big events! The right field area where the students gather 100 humans deep is dangerous and there will be a major accident out there eventually when most of the students are drinking and not paying attention to the game! But so be it out there. But general admission folks need seats even if ticket sales are limited!

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

We don't need a larger stadium. We also don't need berms in both sides. Add seats even if they are fancy cushion Chairbacks in one or both of those. Have a portable bleacher system built that can be rolled out for those big events! The right field area where the students gather 100 humans deep is dangerous and there will be a major accident out there eventually when most of the students are drinking and not paying attention to the game! But so be it out there. But general admission folks need seats even if ticket sales are limited!

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I think the eventual plan will be to leave one of the berms, probably right field, and convert the left field berm into chairbacks, but they will be season ticket chairbacks I doubt we ever see portable bleachers in this stadium. It would kill the 360 concourse. AND WE WILL NEVER HAVE GA CHAIRBACKS. The only thing I could see them doing is extending the upper deck down the lines and putting metal bleachers there.

I've softened my stance on never putting bleachers into the new stadium over the years. I still am not a huge fan of it but also understand we probably need to have it because a lot of people don't want to sit on grass or have to stand the entire time.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

But they're not committed. So they can't get the players and can't attract a good coach.

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I?m saying if thy wanted couldnt they just pay the most in baseball? That would show commitment.

I don?t know their NIL situation.

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Originally Posted by cheewgumm

I?m saying if thy wanted couldnt they just pay the most in baseball? That would show commitment.

I don?t know their NIL situation.

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They have really good NIL in football and basketball......most of their fans don't know they have a baseball team.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

They have really good NIL in football and basketball......most of their fans don't know they have a baseball team.

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Yes, they have MLB on both ends of the state not far from them, they know baseball will never be a sport that generates much interest there. They know where to put the funding that they need to use and that's in football and basketball.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

I've softened my stance on never putting bleachers into the new stadium over the years. I still am not a huge fan of it but also understand we probably need to have it because a lot of people don't want to sit on grass or have to stand the entire time.

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It's the reason why I haven't been back to a game in a couple of years (that and we've sucked). I'm not driving 3 hours to then have to stand for 3 hours. I'm not mad about it, just means I won't be going to any games in person. I get why we don't put eye sore bleachers out there.