No Surprise- Hutzler staying

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Everyone doesn't have the money we got. We have A BUNCH of money. As I have said, it's closer to 20 million than it is to 18 million. The only SEC teams who have more are Bama and UGA. Ole Miss is slightly below us. I doubt those donations hold year over year, but for this offseason, we're playing with the big boys. Again, maybe we move off Coleman after tomorrow, but if we do it better be for a bonafide P4 DC. Not a G5 guy because that is just OTJ training once again.

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While there would be some transition, I disagree that hiring a good, experienced G5 DC would in any way be the same OJT we currently have with a guy that has never organized a defensive game plan or called a defense before in game.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

No because a good G5 DC has no connections and will not bring any difference makers with him. If you're swinging, then by god swing. Don't swing just because the bat is in your hands and you'd rather swing than leave it on your shoulder. I do still think there's a high possibility that Barnes moves on, we move Cliff Odom to safeties, and move Coleman to STC. The new DC would coach LBs. And if you didn't want to completely move Coleman off DC then make him Co-DC and bring in a playcaller that can coach safeties. I feel that Barnes and Turner are definitely moving on off this staff. I'm 99.9% sure on one of them.

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A good G5 coordinator will be perfectly fine. We can swing as hard as we want, but a good G5 coordinator is a massive upgrade from what we have currently and he will have more connections than Hutzler. That’s not even debatable, because Hutzler has already proven he has zero of those that amount to anything.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

A good G5 coordinator will be perfectly fine. We can swing as hard as we want, but a good G5 coordinator is a massive upgrade from what we have currently and he will have more connections than Hutzler. That’s not even debatable, because Hutzler has already proven he has zero of those that amount to anything.

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We'll see. He's the sole reason we got Hardy and Mitchell and he's the sole reason we're on 12-15 portal guys.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We'll see. He's the sole reason we got Hardy and Mitchell and he's the sole reason we're on 12-15 portal guys.

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He can be on them all he wants. We've heard we were "on" good players every offseason, yet here we are.

Get them in the boat and signed and he will get a little slack. Hope he's an elite salesman.

Here's what I saw this season:

Both Lebbo and Hutz were bad to start the season because they were trying to do too much in their gameplans. That led to constant mistakes by the players because it was too much on them which led to breakdowns and missed assignments.

The 2nd half of the season we were better on both sides of the ball. Lebbo had to stream back his gameplans for the Rookie QB and Hutzler had guys in better positions because they had a better understanding of what to do. The 2nd half of the season you could really see the lack of talent on defense. Hutz's EB gameplan was great. They executed it well. We simply lacked talent. Look at the last TD by Mississippi- we bring pressure on a big 3rd down and go man. Mississippi's big TE just outmuscles our safety for the TD catch. Their player was better than ours.

Get ready for Hutz to stay around. Hopefully he and Lebbo have learned their 1st year lessons on trying to do too much. It's not about what the coach knows- it's what the players know (a lesson I had to learn in my 20's. Once I learned that I became a much better coach)

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Here's what I saw this season:

Both Lebbo and Hutz were bad to start the season because they were trying to do too much in their gameplans. That led to constant mistakes by the players because it was too much on them which led to breakdowns and miss assignments.

The 2nd half of the season we were better on both sides of the ball. Lebbo had to stream back his gameplans for the Rookie QB and Hutzler had guys in better positions because they had a better understanding of what to do. The 2nd half of the season you could really see the lack of talent on defense. Hutz's EB gameplan was great. They executed it well. We simply lacked talent. Look at the last TD by Mississippi- we bring pressure on a big 3rd down and go man. Mississippi's big TE just outmuscles our safety for the TD catch. Their player was better than ours.

Get ready for Hutz to stay around. Hopefully he and Lebbo have learned their 1st year lessons on trying to do too much. It's not about what the coach knows- it's what the players know (a lesson I had to learn in my 20's. Once I learned that I became a much better coach)

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That's a pretty good summary.

I totally agree. Not only Lebby stream back his offense, he had to start developing MVB much earlier than he had planned due to the injury of Sharpen. Hutz did about the best he could with what little talent we had on defense. It made no difference what formation we lined up in we were over matched pretty much at every position on every Sec game.

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Originally Posted by basedog

I totally agree. Not only Lebby stream back his offense, he had to start developing MVB much earlier than he had planned due to the injury of Sharpen. Hutz did about the best he could with what little talent we had on defense. It made no difference what formation we lined up in we were over matched pretty much at every position on every Sec game.

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This is why I don't think Hutz needs to be replaced. But, once message boards decide that a coach needs to be fired, it never changes. Lack of talent was our biggest problem. I'm for seeing if it can be fixed by this coaching staff.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We'll see. He's the sole reason we got Hardy and Mitchell and he's the sole reason we're on 12-15 portal guys.

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Yea I’m not going to call you a liar because I think you’re a good poster but whoever is telling you that is in fact a liar. Also, we have 3 SEC level defensive players on our roster and 1 just hit the portal. The chance of him landing 12-15 SEC level players is about the same as me hitting the powerball. Hutzler is complete a*s cheeks.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Yea I’m not going to call you a liar because I think you’re a good poster but whoever is telling you that is in fact a liar. Also, we have 3 SEC level defensive players on our roster and 1 just hit the portal. Hutzler is complete a*s cheeks.

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What does Hutzler have to do with current talent? I'm being serious. Heck he brought in one of the SEC level guys. Look I get the angst, I really do. I'm pissed like everyone else. And look, if within the first 30-45 days Coleman doesn't have us on those guys then I'm in agreeance with you. I just want to see if what I've been told will come into fruition.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Guys Lebby is getting MINIMUM 3 years barring a scandal. Our D will be better next year. We have close to 18 million dollars for NIL. Everyone needs to remain calm, wait 60-90 days, and see what we get out of the portal. I think you will like what we come up with. And yes, Hutzler is a big part of a few of those guys.

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+1. Not to mention, we got much better with play calling on the defensive side as the year went on.

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Originally Posted by AROB44

This is why I don't think Hutz needs to be replaced. But, once message boards decide that a coach needs to be fired, it never changes. Lack of talent was our biggest problem. I'm for seeing if it can be fixed by this coaching staff.

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+1

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Bo Bounds is one of those boosters that needs to shut the hell up and cut the check. That's another one of those Madison "boosters" that likes to have all the info. He likes to sit up at Tico's livin that Y'all Lifestyle!!!

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YEP.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

I do not disagree that Bo is a b*tch and I dislike him a lot, but he has a lot of connections and if he is saying Hutzler is getting fired it is much more credible than Steve saying he isn?t IMO. He?s also right that Hutzler needs to be fired. It would be unprecedented for any DC at any program to come back after those numbers.

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This sounds to me like it's a situation where Lebby wants to keep Hutzler but the boosters are going to meet with Selmon and try to force Hutzler out. And I bet Lebby sells them on the plan that StarVegasSteve is describing.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

No because a good G5 DC has no connections and will not bring any difference makers with him. If you're swinging, then by god swing. Don't swing just because the bat is in your hands and you'd rather swing than leave it on your shoulder. I do still think there's a high possibility that Barnes moves on, we move Cliff Odom to safeties, and move Coleman to STC. The new DC would coach LBs. And if you didn't want to completely move Coleman off DC then make him Co-DC and bring in a playcaller that can coach safeties. I feel that Barnes and Turner are definitely moving on off this staff. I'm 99.9% sure on one of them.

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If it plays out that way it's fine with me. And I sincerely hope it does. It's just hard to believe it will actually work out that way because it seems like whatever MSU wants to do something happens and we end up with the short end of the stick. MSU desperately needs something to go right for once in football.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see some changes on the offensive side of the ball given the coaching changes at Oklahoma and North Carolina. That could very well mean that Joe Jon Finley and Randy Clements end up here. And I think that would improve the offense some.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

YEP.



This sounds to me like it's a situation where Lebby wants to keep Hutzler but the boosters are going to meet with Selmon and try to force Hutzler out. And I bet Lebby sells them on the plan that StarVegasSteve is describing.



If it plays out that way it's fine with me. And I sincerely hope it does. It's just hard to believe it will actually work out that way because it seems like whatever MSU wants to do something happens and we end up with the short end of the stick. MSU desperately needs something to go right for once in football.

I also wouldn't be surprised to see some changes on the offensive side of the ball given the coaching changes at Oklahoma and North Carolina. That could very well mean that Joe Jon Finley and Randy Clements end up here. And I think that would improve the offense some.

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Kennedy is another one that there are strong rumors he will be moving on so that Jeff can bring in Randy Clements. Still no clue why Clements didn't come with him when he got the job but that's neither here nor there. I don't know where we'd stick Joe Jon on staff. Probably an analyst role and to solidify Jackson.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Yea I’m not going to call you a liar because I think you’re a good poster but whoever is telling you that is in fact a liar. Also, we have 3 SEC level defensive players on our roster and 1 just hit the portal. The chance of him landing 12-15 SEC level players is about the same as me hitting the powerball. Hutzler is complete a*s cheeks.

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I think you may be right on this one. There is a lot of BS being put out right now in attempts to calm the fanbase.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

We'll see. He's the sole reason we got Hardy and Mitchell and he's the sole reason we're on 12-15 portal guys.

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Yea Hardy just flipped to Carolina. You’ve been lied to.

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Originally Posted by Jarius

Yea Hardy just flipped to Carolina. You’ve been lied to.

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Maybe so. But we did get Mitchell. I have a bad feeling that Hutzler is telling them one thing and David Turner is telling them another. Because it seems like they all love Hutzler but none of them ever talk about Turner.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Maybe so. But we did get Mitchell. I have a bad feeling that Hutzler is telling them one thing and David Turner is telling them another. Because it seems like they all love Hutzler but none of them ever talk about Turner.

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Isn't Hutzler Turner's boss. Why hasn't he fired his ass.

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Originally Posted by RezDog7

Isn't Hutzler Turner's boss. Why hasn't he fired his ass.

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Because Hutzler nor Lebby hired Turner. He was a booster hire. So our good ole boys have now unsuccessfully hired a former baseball coach to be AD, promoted a DC to HC, hired an OL coach, hired a DL coach, and two liaisons who were advising the HC. Their miss rate is honestly incredible. Like I have been saying, the quicker we get those boosters out and get nee blood in, we will be better.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

Because Hutzler nor Lebby hired Turner. He was a booster hire. So our good ole boys have now unsuccessfully hired a former baseball coach to be AD, promoted a DC to HC, hired an OL coach, hired a DL coach, and two liaisons who were advising the HC. Their miss rate is honestly incredible. Like I have been saying, the quicker we get those boosters out and get nee blood in, we will be better.

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But hey, we got Bump out of the deal! Lol. I think Bump is doing a good job btw but no where close to out weighing the disasters elsewhere.