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Go back and read the prior posts. The issue is not the validity of Shapen. The question is whose the starter for 2025. If Shapen misses the entire spring training and the new Qb's excel there should be a Qb controversy.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Nobody said they were looking for a savior. We are looking for a good Qb. Shapen is that. If he doesn?t make it thru the season then let the Kromenockle kid take over. But Shapen has proven that he can be a productive QB which is more than what we have walked into at the QB position in most of the history of MSU football.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
So same as Van Buren?Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Yep, both got 1 win. Terrible. Shapen sent the season down the drain losing to Toledo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Cmon, Todd. You and I both know that MVB is going to be the second coming of JB at LSU and garner a minimum 2 mil nil deal. Lebby might as well resign when SEC play starts next year if we aren’t undefeated. ****Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Shapen hasn't done anything with MSU or Baylor to be discussed in MSU history. The results haven't proved anything yet. I hope he improves and gets winning results. However he hasn't brought the results he's being paid to do. The only stats that matters are W or L's.Quote:
Originally Posted by RockyDog
And the defense gets a pass for allowing 41 points to Toledo and for keeping the ball away from our offense? Yep. All on Shapen.**Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
He won the MVP of the Big 12 championship game, and has taken Baylor to a bowl game as an underclassman. On top of that he has a win at Oklahoma.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
The only real question is if he is healthy or not. Even if he isn't we're in a better spot with Kromenhoek than we are with MVB.
With all due respect guys, this is thread is for portal transfer news.
He will run the offense catered specifically to him as is the case with most QBsQuote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
Everyone seems to forget the Toledo game - and first part of Arizona State.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
He's not missing spring unless Lebby holds him outQuote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
I can guarantee you, with 100% certainty, Lebby is running his full offense for Shapen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbell
Offensive schemes are polished to fit the qb. Good coaches always do this. He has the full playbook but he will run it according to Shapens strengths (no pun intended)Quote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
It has been suggested that he won't be ready by spring...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Can y'all please start another thread and go measure peckers over there and leave this one for portal news! It is 133 pages there's maybe 5 on actual portal news. I don't have time to scroll thru pages of bitchin to find out who has committed
what is the timetable on the few other portal guys we are onto?
Yes we need more news about more portal guys that some of our “fans” are going to shit onQuote:
Originally Posted by BorneDawg
just go to the first page, it literally has everyone broken out by position and dateQuote:
Originally Posted by BorneDawg
We have visits lined up for this weekend when the dead period ends. I think Sunday may be the first day we can have visitors. Visits will begin again and be full throttle for the next 7-10 days after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pancho
It seems like we're bringing in a bunch of WR's and I'm guessing after that maybe some cornerbacks the next weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Visitors when the dead period ends:
Squirrel White/WR/Tennessee
Markus Allen/WR/Eastern Michigan
Cam Vaughn/WR/Jax State
Cam Thompson/WR/Northern Illinois
Mi?Quise Grave/Edge/South Dakota
Denver Harris/CB/UTSA
Man we need all of these guys. I'm greedy.Quote:
Originally Posted by KB21
All of them + 2 more OL + 2 more DBs and we'd have every right to be wooly as hell and try to recreate the ASU/Indiana blueprint with transfer success. Schedule be damned, that team would have the talent for 10+ wins. Would have a very exciting 2-deep at every position then.Quote:
Originally Posted by msu15
I would feel that way if we got Arnold at QB. Not confident Shapen can stay healthy and because of that I would still be happy with six wins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
5+ wins is still the bar regardless on happiness. 10+ wins is a perfect scenario pipe dream. But college football runs on hope. And this roster would give us miles and miles of hope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
I don't want some poster to come back later and say I was setting lebby up for failure by saying he should have 10 wins with that roster. I'm saying if everything broke right we could have it. I still see a team fighting for bowl eligibility realistically.
Yea there are teams next year with definite question marks on our schedule that we could pick off if things broke right(Tennessee, OM, A&M, and Mizzou) but I am still realistic that the ceiling is probably 8 next year and the floor is probably 4. I think our floor is higher next year, which is a good thing. I also like having Kromenhoek instead of Van Buren as a backup if/when Shapen goes down. I almost would not mind getting Kromenhoek in early in games next year, at least in non con, if we were able to get a lead. I think he will have a good grasp on the offense and personnel with how many of the first team snaps he will take in the spring.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
What? 10 plus wins? In the regular season? No.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tater
No we don'tQuote:
Originally Posted by msu15
Oh, I'm all on board with how Lebby handled the MVB situation. MVB probably rides the pine for a year or 2 and winds up in G5.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brobi-wan
NM
Yes on SquirrelQuote:
Originally Posted by KB21
Slight yes on Allen
Yes on Vaughn
No on Thompson
Yes on Grace
No on Harris
I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with Thompson as a return specialist. He would have been top 10 in the country if he had enough returns to qualify in the rankings. 28.3 yards per kickoff return with a 1 TDQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Everyone but Denver Harris...Hard PASS
That guy is a unicorn. With the new kickoff rules passed a couple of years ago, a KO Return Specialist is a luxury, not a need. Well over 70% of KO are going through the end zone and most others are fair caught or end up not even getting to the 20.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Give me a punt return specialists who uses glue gloves and Velcro jerseys and isn't afraid of contact. But a KO specialist? A waste!
May I ask why? If it's his past, I agree what happened at TAM and LSU is very much a concern. Would need to be vetted but at UTSA he has been very different. The coaches reporting there he has been good in the locker room. It's not a question of talent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawg-gone-dawgs
What's wrong with Denver Harris?
I just think there are more proven guys with less baggage available. If we swing and miss on those guys, then sure, take Harris.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
He would be both. He was their #2 punt return guy behind Patridge who was returning punt return guy for NIUQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
Harris is a take. I can tell you that for a fact. We want to go ahead and have him in the boat so we do not have to panic if we miss on Hall.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1