Yeah- we basically put ourselves on probation under Dan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
At least I feel like Leach is trying to fill holes.
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Yeah- we basically put ourselves on probation under Dan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
At least I feel like Leach is trying to fill holes.
McBath, Washington, and Hughes- yeah I said Hughes- need to land some guys this next cycle. From high school.
I agree, a degree from a particular school can help open a few more doors right out of school, but after that, your own merits mean a heck of lot more than what your diploma says as long as you do have the required degree. In fact, if I was going to plan to live in the Southeast near family, I would probably rather have a degree from a university in this area. But, if you are open to anywhere then a degree from a high prestige school will definitely help. But, either way, MSU fans do indeed seem to be some of the best at helping recruit coaches and players away from MSU if they have any other opportunities.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Owns us? I hope you are joking. We've only played NW once in our entire history of football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
Looks like we are going to miss on all of our last DB targets. I guess we can just pocket until after spring and try and nab a transfer
Not sure. He is supposed to announce today though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hambone
No we didn't. He's a safety in our scheme. And he's only started 8 games in 3 years. He's no 5 star based on his performance. We'll have to see how he pans out. He's certainly better than what we put out there last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
But, we missed on every HS DB recruit. We won one battle instate and that was Lewis. Cooper should be the 2nd.
Our top recruits were all guys Leach was on at WSU minus a couple. This staff has got to win recruiting battles in MS. It's a big year. Can't lose all the talent.
In '18 he only played 2 games - so he redshirted. In '19, Texas has him listed in their team stats as CB, and he started at CB in 7 games. He got beat out by Thompson & Jamison this year - and only started 1 game but played in 9 total.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
He also seems to be pretty versatile - https://247sports.com/college/texas/...ver-157733998/
Sounds like a pretty good fit for our D.
I am guessing that this is the case. Given the choice, I think most people would choose the elite education that did not include the military obligation.Quote:
Originally Posted by maroonmania
I agree that we can't lose the majority of the talent in our home state. But when was the last time that happened, 20 years ago? Losing a few players we wanted isn't losing the state. I also know it's harder to get on the field at Texas vs Mississippi state. Little playing time doesn't reflect talent it's just better talent is in front of you. Heck, every healthy Alabama and LSU transfer we have played last year. Were they terrible too at their 1st school? Or are those schools just loaded?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
If y'all think you are pissed - you should hear AU people.
They are furious with recruiting.
Stealing some recruit away from South Alabama at the last minute? They can't see straight they are so pissed off.
Should we, OM, ark, tenn, etc be worried about any of our guys? If auburn gets desperate, who knows what they do?Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
I don't even understand people pissed off at State's recruiting. It's been pretty darn good. They are in the top 30 in recruiting rankings, plus three big time transfer portal guys.
The portal brought us a WR, DB and DL all of which should see playing time even if they don't start next year. Then some depth at the QB position with about 4 guys that aren't even on scholarship right? None of that even counts toward recruiting rank.
By the time this roster is done for 2021, it won't have 2 four star dual threat QB's sitting on the bench that never play. The the average player's rating on the field will be improved. It's not just roster talent but roster talent that sees the field.
I would think that's what one would hope to see. Now lets see a strong finish to this class off with another good player or two and get these guys another year older, stronger and faster. Then some spring training to elevate the execution and evaluation of what is there.
I am looking forward to what Leach can do with a full year of training and not having to install the basics to everyone.
I don't think anyone is pissed off, at least I hope not. DB recruiting was really bad and we didn't get a true MLB but overall this is a pretty good class and should finish around where we normally do rankings wise (mid 20s). If Strong and Daniels were actually in the class it would have been above what we usually do. I do feel Arnett will put a quality defense on the field with whatever he has while he is here, however long that ends up being. We certainly upgraded most of the offensive skill positions and got numbers for the OL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Rock
Are we waiting on someone to sign today?
Brandon Cunningham is transferring.
Most of our guys have already signed - maybe for the next recruiting cycle, but honestly AU fired a lot of their elite recruiters. They can become Arkansas very quickly.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Tony Hughes primary value is him being in the living room. He couldn't do that this year.
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Originally Posted by Hot Rock
Most people upset about Leach’s overall recruiting class are people who hate him because of who he supports politically. Those people have found and will continue to find reasons to dislike Leach. He will be held to a standard that is unattainable by them until he leaves because they are assholes that are blinded by hate.
Another one who was not going to see the field anytime soon...Quote:
Originally Posted by msbulldog
this is probably the biggest reach ive ever read on this board... and that's saying a lotQuote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Didn't he see this field this year? Thread below says he played in 9 games and started 1Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeshouldveflanked
Come on mane. It's not like this class is above criticism. Top 30 is really just bc of numbers at the moment... just looking at the classes behind us to #40 (#28 to 40), there are 8 of the 13 with a higher rating per commit than us.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
ETA... now this doesn't include the transfers, whom I like. I feel a lot better about this class than I did a few months ago. Still, it isn't like it's great... hardly terrible though.
Then what on earth would anyone be bitching for ? The worst in state class in your lifetime is going to end up with a class exactly like 99 % of our classes throughout the past decade. That is a phenomenal accomplishment. Yes, it has holes. So does every class we have ever signed. Anyone complaining about the overall class has an agenda or is too stupid to take seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by DEDawg
This class looks like most all of our classes that have resulted in us having the best decade in MSU football history. We don’t recruit like Alabama or teams like them and never will. If you want to find holes in our recruiting class you will have no problem finding them, just like every other class we have ever signed. The problem is people (more on other boards than this one) are going over the top with the criticism and they are Doing it because they hate Leach (or they are just stupid).Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
They were going to move him to defense in the off season....Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
The same reason were bitching at Hev for under recruiting on the OL & Billy G for having our WR room looking like trash. Up to now we've signed 1 CB in this class & he's hardly played any CB. We signed a mid 3* Safety & a former 5* CB who we're moving to safety. We've missed or in the process of missing our last 5 secondary targets (Amos, Johnson, Craig, Williams, & Bridges). I'm not asking for anyone to be fired but the Secondary recruiting has been bad. Instate we had Calloway, Walley, & Daniel we went 0/3. We're literally a super tight relationship with Washington & Green to the worst secondary class likely ever. That has 0 to do with Leach's beliefs. I also think people wouldn't give a shit about his beliefs & thoughts if the offense didn't look so horrible for 80% of the season. That other stuff is just a convenient excuse to not acknowledge the offense was way worse than anyone expected it to be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Also good to be back
Ding, ding, ding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
This class has a lot of good things about it. The highest rated HS QB we've ever signed. A 4* RB. 2 4* WRs and one who should be a 4*. Some solid OL in Reese and Boone. DL recruiting was okay. We did really well at LB outside of losing Strong. But the DB recruiting this class cycle has been bad. They've got next class to fix it. Otherwise we'll need to cut ties bc we can't afford to have a weak secondary in this league.
Awesome to see you back. Missed yaQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Dry January a/k/a "Ifyouonlyknew" takes a message board break January?? LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
There is a huge difference in pointing out that our DB position group has been struggling to recruit this cycle and what some of our fans are bitching about and the way they are going about it. This is directed to the MSU “fans” that only pop out their head to bitch about the DB recruiting and are nowhere to be found about the rest of the class. This is directed to the “fans” who bitch about the offense and fail to see the vast improvement that happened over the back half of the season with 75 % first or second year players. Leach’s offense looked just like it did year 1 everywhere else statistically with an all SEC schedule. Our fans, including myself, had too high of expectations for the offense. So I say again, if you are enraged about this signing class to the point that you do nothing but bitch every time recruiting is brought up, you are either a dumbass or you have an agenda. There are either a bunch of them on MSU message boards or the more likely case is they are the same people that go by a different screen name depending on what board they are posting on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Maybe it has been said in a previous post or thread but the offensive line blocking schemes are night and day different than under Mullen and Moorhead. And the type OL needed are very, very different; thus, many of the existing OL prior to Leach do not fit the scheme and are being displaced by those that best fit the scheme. Another expected, drastic changeover due to the coaching hire and style.
I'm pretty sure that any true maroon pinko socialist wouldn't give two shits about Leach's political leanings as long as he is whipping ass on Saturdays. I care about W's and L's and how his offense looks - the rest is just bullshit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Ok - I think this wraps up this issue. On to the next one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Bro, don't ever leave again. LOL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Speaking for the true maroon pinko socialists on the board - you are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
We have people on MSU boards who care more about other things than if MSU wins. Some on other boards admitted to it openly. I’m not guessing when I tell you we have fans on our message boards who are this way. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. There are many that will overlook it when he wins, but rather than celebrate they will just shut up until the next time something pops up that they have a chance to bitch about (like they are currently doing with this recruiting class). When posters are never there to get excited for the positives and always there to bitch at the negatives, something else is a motivating factor. Same thing happens with Cohen, although he actually deserves some criticism.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
That happens with every coach. Happened with Moorhead, happening now with Howland & NMP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
It is ok to have legit concerns about Leach after year 1 both in recruiting and on the field. What is amazing is that they are both polar opposites, the football team on the field closed fairly strong and the recruiting class has fizzled towards the end. Sure we have done well in the portal, but I'm not counting on portal players yet - so far its a mixed bag for almost every program.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Bottom line is that we apparently are about to miss out on a DB to AU that we could have easily signed in December if we had offered, now I have no idea who we are going to sign, but it is a miss.
One of our OL signees has already left campus, we lost out on a key LB commit, same with a stud WR on signing day. Its simply been a tough finish. Any rational fan would say that regardless of their stance on Leach.
I have my concern about his offense working, I sure hope I'm wrong and we post a strong season because I think we are going to miss some of those war daddies up front that are graduating on the DL.
Moorhead inherited the #1 defense in the country and was installing an offense that was semi similar to what hisQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Predecessor ran. The women’s basketball coach inherited a program that was a blue blood and has immediately turned it into an absolute train wreck. Howland is on year 6 and has been average.
Doing it year 1 with Leach to the point that some people are doing it (after they openly admit they don’t like his politics) when he inherited a complete shit show of a locker room / culture problem is something completely different. We have had 3 losing seasons in 5 years. The idea that he took over some sort of well built program is a joke. We either have some of the dumbest fans in America or they have an agenda. There is no other option.