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Also just so we can compare, let's take a look at two guys we JUST HAD TO HAVE and compare them to Harris.
Khamauri Rogers- 1 tackle in 3 years, zero tackles in two years on the State roster. No PDs ever
Raydarius Jones- 11 tackles in 4 years, with 9 coming in 21 at LSU. Two tackles this year. 1 PD in 4 years.
Denver Harris- 37 tackles in 3 years. 14 at A&M, 7 at LSU, 16 at UTSA. 8 PDs in 3 years.
Harris is markedly better than those two and he's markedly better than all but two of our current DBs. He can play and compete here. This is a guy you take a chance on. LSU and A&M saw enough to take a chance, and he produced for them.
We were 2-10 but his talent can't help us??? Look I get the baggage but he has been solid guy at UTSA. They absolutely did not want him to enter the transfer portal.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Squirrel White just entered the portal. Remember what I said about those receivers still in the playoffs........
Also, his damn name is Squirrel. He was meant to play at Mississippi State. I can tell you though, Kiffin will try to get him solely because of the squirrel that ran on the field this year, my bad they released on the field.
This mindset is why the last two years have happenedQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Yea that's how we ended up Khamauri Rogers, Raydar, and Montre Miller.Quote:
Originally Posted by msu15
What talent? He was a 5 star out of HS, but can't consistently start in 3 years? He's not good and he's a head case. There's videos of him speeding in parking garages pretty recklessly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
We need someone to replace Brice Pollock, and this guy doesn't do that. I don't buy the "depth" argument either because he only has one year of eligibility left. Amarion Fortenberry is a freshman from South Alabama in the portal that has more production and better PFF grades in one year to Harris's 3. And we aren't pushing for him. From Columbia, MS.
We need one of Coats/Hall (would prefer both) and then a depth guy like Fortenberry.
Harris is a dumb take.
No the last two years happened because we hired a horrible HC in Zack Arnett.Quote:
Originally Posted by msu15
I mean we're not gonna defend our Fulmer Cup title with Luke Kromenhoek***Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Way way deeper than that. This is why we are where we are, short sighted decisions and just not paying attention over and over and over again.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Well of course it's deeper than that, but a horrible hire after Leach's passing is the root of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Taking 3 guys in the portal with MS ties isn't the reason we're where we're at, which was the post I was responding to.
Who did exactly what you just said to do-take someone because they?re from Mississippi. RayDar Jones, Rogers, and Chris Keys.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
I?m sure we could go find a defensive back from the private school ranks in Mississippi who is good solid family man to play for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Goodness, it wasn't lack of talent that kept him off the field at TAM and LSU. It was him being a knucklehead. He was the day 1 starter at UTSA and was injured the first game. My take is dumb? You are clueless about talent. If he is right and not doing stupid stuff he is more talented than Pollock. Not even close.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
We are not taking more than 2 guys, 1 likely. I'm fine with Coats or Hall too. But I don't let his baggage cloud his talent either.
I not once said we should take someone because they're from Mississippi. But many times when a kid enters the portal, it's to move closer to home and proximity to home is why they're interested. That's just one factor. But I never said we should just take Mississippi players.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
I bet John Wesley Thompson VII down at Oak Hill Academy would make a fine young CB for us!!! He runs a BLAZING 5.3 40 and benches 120 but his granddad goes to church with someone and he says he loves Mississippi State!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
We'll just agree to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Really Clark?
Yeah, no one said that either, but go offQuote:
Originally Posted by BankerDog
It's a joke between Bank and I. If you haven't heard someone say we need to take some 5'7 unathletic white kid who plays in private school because he loves State then you haven't been a state fan long enough. And this was pre NIL. Hell we had a sect of fans last year telling us Jake Weir was going to beat out Shapen.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Fair enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
What! Some of you people need to see things god what they are. This disaster didn?t happen in two years this is 3 coaches and 1.5 dumbass AD?s and a boat load of idiotic boosters in the making. Your argument about not taking a kid that might can play is laughable. If you can?t tell what is going on this is open tryouts when you get here, you cut it or yo ass is gone. We have no choice we are that far behind due to our own dumbassery.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
BINGO. We will have multiple players "transfer" after spring ball. But it will be because they were cut.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
You've completely misunderstood what I was saying, but I'm tired of arguing with the 4 people left on this message board, so I'll just say okay and move on. Jesus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Where's he entering the portal from?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I'm just gonna circle back to Squirrel White, I would not be surprised if we were a player there.
Tennessee. He wants to be closer to home, which is Clay-Chalkville. I imagine in a perfect world he'd go to Auburn or Bama, but I don't believe either of those rooms would take him at the moment. He'd be the Coleman replacement everyone is clamoring for here. He's a player and even at his height can play outside. Our offer is gonna be good.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Commit incoming. Would be blown away if it's not Raishein Thomas from Northern Illinois.
Update: It was him.
Like him!! He's coming to work too!Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Still don't believe we have a legitimate DL?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
Thomas is a good get. He and Red Hibbler at DE is a good combo.
I'd like to see us move to a 4 man front next year.
DE- Raishein Thomas... Red Hibbler... Deonte Anderson... Terrance Hibbler
DT- Will Whitson (hopefully)... Trevion Williams... Kendrick Bingley-Jones... Jaray Bledsoe
DT/NG- Kalvin Dinkins... Kai McClendon... Derron Reed... (Need another starting level portal player)
DE/Edge- Mi'Quise Grace (Hopefully)... Malick Sylla... Donterry Russell... Lakendrick James... Nevaeh Sanders
I never said we were not getting legit DL. Actually quite the opposite. I said we were having to bring in so many because our DL was crap last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
We have gotten tons better at EDGE. Still worried about DT though.
No, many were the root of it. Leach and His ridiculous approach to recruiting killed us, along with Cohen's approach to NIL. Throw in Arnett, it's it's been a problem for years with many irons in that dumpster fire.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Neck beard said we were aiming at 15ish out of the portal. We are now at 17? How many do we end up with?
We still have one of the worst DL in the SEC regardless of who we sign at this point. But it's better than we had last year by a mile. It's enough to help out the guys behind it anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldawg28
Y'all are still missing the main point of what I'm saying, but whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
22ishQuote:
Originally Posted by bigbub50
Stop itQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
I'll jump in if you feel like fightin' someone new, KO****Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
I have been reading this thread with great interest since post #1. It seems like about 90% of the analysis of everyone we have signed or hope to sign is that "or he will at least be a depth piece". Are we getting anyone that we think can be a day one starter or dare say a difference maker in the SEC? I have as little hope in our situation than I have had since predicting Tech and Ten. I don't want maroon colored glasses, but we need more talent than a depth piece or a big guy to practice against on the Scout Team.
I don?t think all of those players will end up as Jack backers in this scheme. Sanders and James will probably be SLBs in the base defense, high they won?t be in a lot. They will find ways to get Sanders on the field in pass rush situations. We could see some nascar packages that have Sanders, Grace, Hibbler, and Sylla as your defensive line.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1