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Why is Griffin McDowell still on page 1 under "current dawgs"? Thats the one that really shows what a piece of shit Mullen is imo.
Who is scheduled to visit this weekend?
Couple Western TN Technical college recruits. Gonna be a battle until NSDQuote:
Originally Posted by archdawg
You're drinking the kool aid to the maxQuote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
"In the end, I believe Moorhead is going to win regardless of how we recruit."
This is the most wrong thing I have ever read on here, and that is saying something. If he doesn't recruit well, we will get our teeth kicked in. We play in the SEC, and the reason we have a good team next year is two reasons. Mullen and Hev for all their faults were good at developing an OL that could run Mullen's system. Next year's OL is a bunch of 3 stars that are going to kick ass and take names.
Our defense is littered with 4 star players all over the damn field. SImmons was a five star, Peters 5 star, Leo Lewis 4/5 star, Gerri Green 4 star, Spencer 4 star, Sweat 4 star, Cory Thomas 4 star. What players are we hoping make an impact on offense next year? Heath 4/5 star, Guidry 4 star.
Lets be clear, if Coach doesn't recruit well, he will lose. Anyone saying otherwise is just wrong. Also, when you have a MS class like 2019, I don't want to hear shit like "Coach doesn't need to recruit well, he will just coach em up". I'm sure he expects to recruit well next year, and we as fans should expect that as well.
I'm not sure why the board is so sensitive when a few posters get upset when we lose out on a recruit. That is normal, that shows that fans care. You know who doesn't care about recruiting? Fans of teams that don't compete for shit. Bama fans are freaking the **** out over a class that is outside the top 5. That is a good thing. Saban apparently is not happy with how recruiting is going and is going to make staff changes after signing day. That is what elite programs do.
Its ok to be pissed that we are not closing well, because in 2019 and 2020 if we are struggling on the field and are wasting KT's talent, its going to be because of misses in this year's recruiting class. That is why we end up winning 7-8 instead of 9-10.
It's mostly about scheme bro. It's not like we're gonna fall off the earth in recruiting. We will have a highly productive offense as long as CJM has athletes.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
I didn't realize we'd lost a bunch of 4 and 5 star players. This class is Mullen's class. Both the hits and misses are his. Now, our new guys didn't bring anybody new into the conversation, but they haven't lost a bunch of high-end rated players either.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Defense is about talent, not scheme, bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
You can’t scheme your way around not having talent on defense. Schemes can hide deficiencies on offense, but we have been running Mullen’s system for almost a decade, there will be an adjustment, and we will need talented players to compete for the West.
Talent > over scheme all day.
Well by this recruiting scale we’ll sign 8 possibly 9 4* players this year. So i’m not going to have a meltdown. If you’re putting the negatives of this class on this staff then you’d have to put all the positives on them too. They covered our most needed position to give us a real shot at 2018. I agree that recruiting is the cornerstone of a program but I’ll wait to see what the staff can do with a clean slate in 2019 and hopefully after a great season before I go asking for headsQuote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
So bama has the best scheme every year no matter the coordinator? then you end w saying as long as he has athletes? which is it in your mind? You lost me. And you better have good players first, then scheme, then coach em up, in that order.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
I'm not drinking anything. I'm just being an objective observer of what's happened so far. And so far Moorhead kept together a class that everyone said wouldn't be kept together. So we missed on a few OL. So Arkansas took a few of our guys. I literally don't care. This class, on paper, got us the best group of skill position high schoolers we've signed in our history. That can't be questioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by vv83
We are going to miss on some. And guess what. If you didn't expect that you are naive. We still think we should get every 3 star or low end 4 star we go after because we are so awesome. Well guess what. Every other school has that same mentality and things they can sell. We missed on OL this go around. That's not new. But if you can't tell Moorhead is doing things differently you just don't get it or don't follow on social media, which quite a few on here don't do.
So no I'm not drinking kool aid. I'm just watching what we are doing differently. And it's a lot.
Late losses:
Winkel: 84 - 3 star
McDowell: 83 - 3 star
Mason: 88- 3 star
Bishop: 87- 3 star
Smith: 88- 3 star
Late targets we've got a good shot at:
Lovett: 88- 3 star
Watson: 86- 3 star
Brule: 88- 3 star
Reed: 85- 3 star
Young: 85- 3 star
Yeah, put the melters in their place "cooterpoot"
Sounds good to me. I was just pointing out that saying a coach was going to win regardless of how he recruits is a terrible thought.Quote:
Originally Posted by SmokeyDawg
Your don't care?!? As long as we sign 4* WRs you're A-ok? Go be an OM fan that's all you care about. There are 22 starters buddy, poor play from any one of them can cost you a close game. We need depth everywhere, and since some high rated guys don't pan out you can't just ignore the potential or lack thereof of the bottom of a class.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Seriously, forget about this specific class. What you just said has nothing to do with the specifics of how good/bad we are doing; you just said you LITERALLY DON'T CARE if we miss on OL, CB, and S targets just because the offensive skill players are great. Name me one top 10 team that "literally doesn't care" about the last 8 spots in a class, and I'll show you 4 CFP teams that do and but their ass till signing day is over to fill every spot with the best they can.
You are doing mental gymnastics to say OL and secondary recruiting doesn't matter, and I'm concerned for your health if you honestly think you're objective and rational about recruiting. Ari, IYOK, Steve, and literally every coach in the nation will tell you the bottom of a class and every single position matter.
What about frudge?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
If we get your list, we will have gone 2-5 vs sec programs
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Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Some on here don't understand being objective or realisitic. I have about decided those who continually criticize are posting controversial comments just to push somebody's button and get an argument started. Some people thrive on that sort of thing.
Furdge: 86- 3 starQuote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Robinson: 80- 3 star (don't know if he's been fully evaluated though)
It's just hilarious to me how quick you guys change your mind. 7 made a great point earlier that when we dropped Reed everyone was saying how he wasn't SEC quality and we're better off moving on then as SOON as we re-offer because our class is getting poached he's a great pickup and we aren't really missing anything from our other targets because Reed is back in the boat and 7 is just a negative poster with no valid points. Seriously? Now, I originally never wanted to drop him and am glad to have him back and I hope he becomes an SEC caliber starter for us but damn.. you talk about being realistic. Negativity (and positivity) and facing the facts is a huge part of being realistic.Quote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
Moorhead did an OUTSTANDING job keeping Malik, Whop, and Guidry and he deserves credit for that, but as head coach he is also going to take the blame when we take losses.
With one vs Bama that we will never win. That makes 2-4 realistically. 1 to FL that well lose every time. That makes 2-3 realistically. Honestly, we lost Winkel. Bishop's dream school was Arkansas. Mason had a punkass coach get involved.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Plus, we basically dropped Winkel and Brule, so they've got incentive to tell us to suck it. So does Reed as far as that goes.
Other than Bishop, I really don't see bad losses here. None of them are much different.
I get the fact that we need OL and CBs in a bad way. I get that some of you might be "embarrassed" because you think your team should get these kids. But in reality, it's not that big a difference in what we're getting and losing IF we get the targets we've got out there. Other than the new guys not really bringing new players to the table, I just don't really care. Smith and Bishop would've been nice. The OL guys though, there's no difference to me. We just need to get the ones out there now.
Well you just lost all credibilityQuote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Carvin to tenn is another lossQuote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
Carvin hurt. No doubt. But again, dream school. You aren't beating out dream schools.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
So, maybe I missed it, but is Smith a definite to Bama? Or is everyone just assuming he is going to Bama since he posted a video of Saban dancing?
He supposedly got a real offerQuote:
Originally Posted by msudawglb
Funny how that works against us so often, yet for us so rarely. What connections to TN did Carvin have? He's from Memphis, so is geographically closer to us, OM, Arky, Bama, and Vandy than he is to TN. At one point he seemed higher on us Arky and Bama than TN. Pruitt took till signing day to swing him, so it's not like Bishop who flipped just as soon as the Arky staff showed him they weren't a trainwreck. What family ties does Carvin have to TN? he use to live there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
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Originally Posted by msstate7
I'm not sure that coul actually be counted as a loss, because we never actually had him. If TN offered he was going to go to TN. We were his backup plan basically.
Pretty sure he had the offer all alongQuote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us
I believe he grew up a Vol fan. It really doesn't matter though. He was going to go to TN if he got that offer.
uhhh I'm going to need some kind of source on that, either from Steve or Ari or another guy in the know on here, because I read this thread and listened to the Boneyard since July and I've never heard what you're saying. And TN didn't offer him? Who wouldn't offer an unanimous 4* OL with no off field issues who's being pursued by multiple other SEC schools? And its not like he was under the radar and missed by TN like you could say about Murphy or Cumbest. I'm not saying you're wrong, and maybe I'm just an idiot who forgot, but I don't recall seeing "We're his backup plan, if Tn offers he's gone" ever during his recruitment like we just say with Smith and Bama or Watson and Auburn. In fact, Ari and IYOK said he was ours a couple days before signing day well after TN had put the pressure on himQuote:
Originally Posted by yjnkdawg
Man, I didn't realize you were the type of poster to spin this much. We are having a bad run and it's ok to admit it. And I don't think it's indicative of the type of recruiters this staff can be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cooterpoot
+1 hoops... we absolutely didn't drop Winkel or Brule, and saying "the past few weeks have sucked" or "The last few weeks are making me concerned for the future" is not the same as saying "THE SKY IS FALLING" or "CLOSE UP SHOP BOYS THE 2019 CLASS WILL SUCK". We have a good team, an overall good roster with a few holes down the road (OL and CB), and a good on-field staff. What's so wrong with saying the recruiting needs to step up? Even Steve said today that "If I'm Arkansas, I carpet bomb the state of MS with offers in 2019 because this State staff doesn't scare me" regarding the recent Arky recrooting victories. And Steve is a pretty optimistic guy...
I think this staff will do very well, but maybe there's something too the opinion that SEC recruiting is different and it takes time to adjust to. Whatever it is the fact remains no staff is 100% perfect and it's irrational to ignore what's going on
I like to let it play out, and just see what happens. Things are never as bad or good as they seem. Signing day is next week and there will be plenty of time to bitch after that i'm sure. Let it play out and see what happens. Maybe a surprise or 2, who knows. None of us had any inkling we were getting Kilby-Lane in the December signing class. I'm just going to see who we sign next week, add it to who we signed in December and then we can assess where we are. That's just me though.
A lot of pressure on the Moorhead team to recruit for 2019.
We lose 24 scholly seniors and Jeffrey Simmons and Leo Lewis (he'll rebound this year) and maybe even Chauncey Rivers, Marquiss Spencer and Farrod Green. (last 3 are longshots, I know, but Green is already on some draft lists)
Can't wait to see how it all shakes out
I wish we could flip some SEC croots. Only flips we get are from UT Chattanooga, LA Tech and ULL.
Fixed...I hope your day gets betterQuote:
Originally Posted by Bully13
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Well you are gonna be surprised.Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
Damn man, you don't follow either. There are plenty of athletes that can run this offense and not all are going to be 4 star ranked players. This isn't Mullen's offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Homedawg
So what's new with basketball recruiting? If Fox gets fired do we have a shot with any of their recruits?