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07-28-2023, 07:45 AM
99jc

If we lose Montgomery, Lemondick needs to be fired! All this bullshit that we can't compete in recruiting needs to stop. Jans -Purcell-and Arnett seem to be doing ok. What is the common denominator for baseball? It's that fatass from Indiana. He has the recruiting personality of a wet dishrag. FIRE HIS ASS!
07-28-2023, 08:16 AM
smootness

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Originally Posted by Coach34

With Montgomery- the line-up will easily be better in 2024.

Highfill 24 > Highfill 23
Hines 24 > Hines 23
Jordan 24 > Jordan 23
Mershon 24 > Merson 23
Larry 24 at worst equals Larry 23
Montgomery will at worst equal Clark and is likely a better defender
Hugesak will have more power than Led. Doubt he matches him in average or obp
Our Cali signee at DH could exceed Hancock 23....would not surprise if so

Line-up will easily be better with Monty

I don't necessarily disagree with this entirely, I do think there's a pretty solid chance our lineup ends up being better next year...but you doubt Hujsak will be better than Ledbetter? Come on, man. Even in power, Ledbetter showed more per AB than Hujsak did last year. I actually appreciate that on this topic you're very optimistic, but it's still a case of picking a position and then figuring out how to argue it any way possible. It's not good that we haven't gotten much in the portal. Even if we do land Montgomery, it's been pretty rough otherwise, and if we don't then our portal results will arguably be fireable on their own.

I don't have an issue with trying to stay optimistic about next year's team, it doesn't hurt to have some of that around here, even if I don't share it. But there's no need to go overboard trying to argue it, because it is a real stretch. Maybe Simmons was our 2nd best pitcher, or would have been, in 21. But he threw fewer than 5 innings; it doesn't really matter that he had yet to allow an earned run. That can't be an actual argument.

We'll have to wait and see if guys make massive jumps next year and we're a good team. I personally really doubt that happens because it seems unlikely...because, again, they're going to have to be some massive jumps from our pitchers. If we do, that's amazing. And it is technically possible, there is talent. But it's not even close to being likely.
07-28-2023, 09:17 AM
raymonddawg

My optimism comes from the unknown with Parker running the pitching staff. I think if he maximizes some of the talent we have we could make a tremendous jump next year. Coach34 isn't wrong in saying there is plenty of talent in the lineup, but if there is big success in 24 (regionals) then its going to be because of the pitching staff.
07-28-2023, 10:22 AM
Cooterpoot

I'm growing tired of this false narrative that we have some great lineup. In SEC games, we were 9th in hitting, 13th in RBI, 9th in OBP. It was HR or bust for us. Montgomery would make us our lineup really good. Without him, it's just average.
Pitching needs a total overhaul. Just a couple guys making the jump won't get us far in post season. We need the whole bunch to improve. That's not likely, but neither is no improvement. I think pitching will be about middle of the pack. We have no ace, or we could go higher. JMO on pitching.
We've got a regional team. But we should've been a regional team this year. Some leaders need to step up.
07-28-2023, 10:46 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by raymonddawg

My optimism comes from the unknown with Parker running the pitching staff. I think if he maximizes some of the talent we have we could make a tremendous jump next year. Coach34 isn't wrong in saying there is plenty of talent in the lineup, but if there is big success in 24 (regionals) then its going to be because of the pitching staff.

We'll have 3-4 pitchers drafted next July. We damn well better be improved on the mound
07-28-2023, 11:22 AM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by the_real_MSU_is_us

Lsu wins the Natty, gets top players in the portal to fill in for who leaves.

State wins the Natty, we get nobody but Yeager, finish last. But THEN what do we do?? Still bring in nobody on the mound, amd finish 13th. But after that, what do we do?? Get a Saturday/Sunday starter from Miami. That's it for the mound.

Lemo needs to go. "OH ThaTs unFaIr You can't COmparE us To TheM!!!!!!!!" OK. Fine. I'll compare us to a 13th placed team, us from last year.

We lose our best hitter in Led, our 3rd best hitter in Clark, our only decent starter in Cade, and out only reliever with a ERA under 4 in SEC games in Nixon. We've replaced Cade via the Miami guy. We also upgraded 3B, that's nice.

Does that sound like enough to catapult the 13th best team into the level of play we know State should play at? We will be better from giys getting older alone but Lemo ain't it Chief

It depends on what the young arms do. If they develop we will be fine. If they develop to their ceiling we will be a host. Either way, we will know soon.
But to say a 2 seed sucks is still extreme.
07-28-2023, 12:23 PM
CaptainObvious

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Originally Posted by confucius say

It depends on what the young arms do. If they develop we will be fine. If they develop to their ceiling we will be a host. Either way, we will know soon.
But to say a 2 seed sucks is still extreme.

Let?s look at what a 2 seed level of improvement might look like:

2023 27-26 (9-21)

2024 33-23 (13-17) could possibly get a 2 seed. Is a 6 win overall improvement and 4 SEC win improvement good enough to stay the course and give Lemonis an extension? Because he will have to have an extension and therefore and extended buyout back up to $6 mil. plus.

You also have to look at the whole picture, not just that the team was <awarded> a 2 seed primarily based on conference affiliation. What if of the 6 non-con losses mentioned in my example, a few are to less than stellar programs? What if the 17 SEC losses include some ridiculous sweep or series losses?

I will forever maintain that the 21 team won it all in spite of Lemonis, built by previous staffs.
07-28-2023, 12:39 PM
sandjunky

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

Let?s look at what a 2 seed level of improvement might look like:

2023 27-26 (9-21)

2024 33-23 (13-17) could possibly get a 2 seed. Is a 6 win overall improvement and 4 SEC win improvement good enough to stay the course and give Lemonis an extension? Because he will have to have an extension and therefore and extended buyout back up to $6 mil. plus.

You also have to look at the whole picture, not just that the team was <awarded> a 2 seed primarily based on conference affiliation. What if of the 6 non-con losses mentioned in my example, a few are to less than stellar programs? What if the 17 SEC losses include some ridiculous sweep or series losses?

I will forever maintain that the 21 team won it all in spite of Lemonis, built by previous staffs.

Hell no but that is what would happen
07-28-2023, 01:28 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by sandjunky

Hell no but that is what would happen

I'm telling you now, making a regional will not get Lemonis an extension. It also may not get him fired, but could.
07-28-2023, 01:45 PM
basedog

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I'm telling you now, making a regional will not get Lemonis an extension. It also may not get him fired, but could.

Let's assume we make a regional, if so, there still shouldn't be any hurry for an extension if he is retained. Fact is if he isn't fired why would we be so dumb to extend?
07-28-2023, 01:57 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

Let?s look at what a 2 seed level of improvement might look like:

2023 27-26 (9-21)

2024 33-23 (13-17) could possibly get a 2 seed. Is a 6 win overall improvement and 4 SEC win improvement good enough to stay the course and give Lemonis an extension? Because he will have to have an extension and therefore and extended buyout back up to $6 mil. plus.

You also have to look at the whole picture, not just that the team was <awarded> a 2 seed primarily based on conference affiliation. What if of the 6 non-con losses mentioned in my example, a few are to less than stellar programs? What if the 17 SEC losses include some ridiculous sweep or series losses?

I will forever maintain that the 21 team won it all in spite of Lemonis, built by previous staffs.

What 13-17 sec team has ever been a 2 seed? Can you name two? Or even one? None of that is happening, the seeding or the extension, if we are 33-23 (13-17).
07-28-2023, 02:18 PM
bulldogcountry1

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I'm telling you now, making a regional will not get Lemonis an extension. It also may not get him fired, but could.

If he doesn?t earn an extension, then he should be fired. There shouldn?t be in-between. He?s already on borrowed time.
07-28-2023, 02:53 PM
AlSwearengen

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Originally Posted by bulldogcountry1

If he doesn?t earn an extension, then he should be fired. There shouldn?t be in-between. He?s already on borrowed time.

i'd be a little nervous about extending after a good season next year. I need to see some sustained success. If he has a good year next, he should be able to have a little more success in the portal, so no excuses about losing players.
07-28-2023, 03:19 PM
CaptainObvious

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Originally Posted by confucius say

What 13-17 sec team has ever been a 2 seed? Can you name two? Or even one? None of that is happening, the seeding or the extension, if we are 33-23 (13-17).

State made a Regional with 13-17, 13-16, 12-17 in 04, 05, 06. I believe State was a 2 seed in 2 of those.
07-28-2023, 03:39 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

State made a Regional with 13-17, 13-16, 12-17 in 04, 05, 06. I believe State was a 2 seed in 2 of those.

2 seed in 05 after winning the SEC Tournament. 3 seed in 04 and 06
07-28-2023, 03:55 PM
bulldogcountry1

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Originally Posted by AlSwearengen

i'd be a little nervous about extending after a good season next year. I need to see some sustained success. If he has a good year next, he should be able to have a little more success in the portal, so no excuses about losing players.

I would be too, but I think he?s either going to show significant improvement or he?s going to fall on his face. He certainly hasn?t done enough with the portal to give anyone any confidence.
07-28-2023, 03:55 PM
CaptainObvious

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

2 seed in 05 after winning the SEC Tournament. 3 seed in 04 and 06

Dient State beat Ole Miss for the title in 05?
07-28-2023, 04:02 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

State made a Regional with 13-17, 13-16, 12-17 in 04, 05, 06. I believe State was a 2 seed in 2 of those.

That 13-17 team wasn't a 2 seed. I don't recall a 13-17 two seed. And certainly not a 33-23 (13-17) two seed.

But to your larger point, if we go 14-16 in sec play and have the nonconference resume to be a 2 seed, I won't label that as sucking. I think it would depend on postseason results to decide whether or not it was a successful season.
07-28-2023, 04:03 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

Dient State beat Ole Miss for the title in 05?

Yessir. And Brett Cleveland had some choice words walking off the mound.
Jet Butler had a big hit
07-28-2023, 04:03 PM
State82

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Originally Posted by bulldogcountry1

If he doesn?t earn an extension, then he should be fired. There shouldn?t be in-between. He?s already on borrowed time.

Isn't he through the second year of a four year contract? He obviously got a substantial raise with four year contract after 2021. He tanked in 2022 and I assume he was not extended an extra year but I could be wrong. No extension this year. That means if he is not extended after 2024 he would enter 2025 with no contract beyond which never happens. The only way this scenario is incorrect is if he did in fact get the extra year tacked on after the 2022 collapse which would be hard to believe. Anybody know for sure?

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