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11-25-2023, 11:09 AM
662dawg

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Originally Posted by confucius say

But it was Selmon who liked Sumrall.

Keenum isn't running the search behind closed doors.

Alrighty then!
11-25-2023, 12:03 PM
smootness

Boring and stale does not matter. The only thing that matters is wins.

Our best basketball coaches have been Stansbury and Jans, hardly guys who exude excitement.
11-25-2023, 12:04 PM
Homedawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by smootness

Boring and stale does not matter. The only thing that matters is wins.

Our best basketball coaches have been Stansbury and Jans, hardly guys who exude excitement.

No truer post ever. But but but.....
11-25-2023, 12:06 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Talk about losing your fan base by hiring Jon Sumrall if we move towards that instead of Lebby.

We are about to lose a large portion of the fan base because they are tired of a boring stale product. And you hire a boring stale coach that won?t win here.

What a bad move that will effectively lose the fan base. No one wants Sumrall. By a large margin.

We won under Mike Leach but we were boring and stale and the fan base was waining. Sumrall ain?t going to fix that.

Kiffin will run circles around him in in-state recruiting. Much like he did with Arnett. Our skill players will transfer out because they will be in the same damn offense we may right now. They want no part of that.

If we lose people like you bc you pout and don't get "your" guy then so be it. Hire the best coach. That's what ZA is getting paid to do. I trust he will do what he can to do that.
11-25-2023, 12:14 PM
PMDawg

If we're down to Lebby and Sumrall, then that's sad. That screams we got turned down by our top 6 to 8 targets.
11-25-2023, 12:17 PM
smootness

Nobody. Knows. Anything.
11-25-2023, 12:18 PM
Tough Dawg

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11-25-2023, 12:19 PM
HoopsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by PMDawg

If we're down to Lebby and Sumrall, then that's sad. That screams we got turned down by our top 6 to 8 targets.

Not really.

Lebby is our number 1 coordinator target.

We could hire head coaches like Odom, Sumrall, Fritz, etc

Klieman and Leipold were always going to be tough. Elko has listened. Who else did you expect.
11-25-2023, 12:24 PM
DEDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by PMDawg

If we're down to Lebby and Sumrall, then that's sad. That screams we got turned down by our top 6 to 8 targets.

Nobody here except maybe Clark knows that. For all you know Lebby was always first choice. What this board wants does not necessarily equal the decision makers process
11-25-2023, 12:24 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Not really.

Lebby is our number 1 coordinator target.

We could hire head coaches like Odom, Sumrall, Fritz, etc

Klieman and Leipold were always going to be tough. Elko has listened. Who else did you expect.

To be honest, I'm not sure what other coordinators are really in contention. I thought you more than any other poster was talking about how our job wasn't a hard job and so dropping down to a coordinator kind of screams "hard job".

I'll get on board with Lebby, but he was way down the list when this process got started.
11-25-2023, 12:27 PM
PMDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Not really.

Lebby is our number 1 coordinator target.

We could hire head coaches like Odom, Sumrall, Fritz, etc

Klieman and Leipold were always going to be tough. Elko has listened. Who else did you expect.

Chadwell, Leipold, Elko, Fisch, Candle, Cignetti....
11-25-2023, 12:29 PM
CoachT14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homedawg

If we lose people like you bc you pout and don't get "your" guy then so be it. Hire the best coach. That's what ZA is getting paid to do. I trust he will do what he can to do that.

And ZA sucked at his job. Sumrall is a ZA clone. I could get careless if I got my job. I just don?t want Sumrall anywhere around this program.
11-25-2023, 12:30 PM
Cowbell

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Originally Posted by smootness

Nobody. Knows. Anything.

This. It's amazing what people are running with
11-25-2023, 12:31 PM
CoachT14

Quote:

Originally Posted by smootness

Boring and stale does not matter. The only thing that matters is wins.

Our best basketball coaches have been Stansbury and Jans, hardly guys who exude excitement.

Howland won. And no one cared.

Jans is exciting. Lol. He engages the fans.
11-25-2023, 12:32 PM
PMDawg

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

Nobody here except maybe Clark knows that. For all you know Lebby was always first choice. What this board wants does not necessarily equal the decision makers process

Yeah, I guess. If a coordinator though, I would think it would be someone with some consistency, in a certain tree. Take Mullen - he was with Urban for years and years. Lebby has bounced around and has usually been under a new coach learning how to run a program. Kiffin is the exception and he only stayed 2 years there. He doesn't stay anywhere long. Idk, maybe he'll be great. If he's hired, I hope for the best.
11-25-2023, 12:42 PM
DEDawg

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

Yeah, I guess. If a coordinator though, I would think it would be someone with some consistency, in a certain tree. Take Mullen - he was with Urban for years and years. Lebby has bounced around and has usually been under a new coach learning how to run a program. Kiffin is the exception and he only stayed 2 years there. He doesn't stay anywhere long. Idk, maybe he'll be great. If he's hired, I hope for the best.

If it is a coordinator, I would hope it is someone who has been in the SEC, extra points if in Mississippi, has shown his offense works everywhere he goes like Mullen?s, and has a good relationship with someone who was a successful HC they can lean on for advice.

Sound like anyone we know?
11-25-2023, 12:44 PM
smootness

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachT14

Howland won. And no one cared.

Jans is exciting. Lol. He engages the fans.

You?re insane if you think Jans excited the fanbase upon being hired.
11-25-2023, 12:45 PM
DEDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by smootness

You?re insane if you think Jans excited the fanbase upon being hired.

I was extremely excited for Jans lol
11-25-2023, 12:45 PM
smootness

Quote:

Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I'll get on board with Lebby, but he was way down the list when this process got started.

You do not know that. You only know he was down the list of people message boards mentioned.
11-25-2023, 12:46 PM
DEDawg

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Originally Posted by smootness

You do not know that. You only know he was down the list of people message boards mentioned.

Bingo! Contrary to popular belief, Selmon most likely is not consulting message boards in his process.
11-25-2023, 12:48 PM
Dawgface

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

I was extremely excited for Jans lol

Me too.
11-25-2023, 12:50 PM
HoopsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

To be honest, I'm not sure what other coordinators are really in contention. I thought you more than any other poster was talking about how our job wasn't a hard job and so dropping down to a coordinator kind of screams "hard job".

I'll get on board with Lebby, but he was way down the list when this process got started.

Hiring the top offensive coordinator in the country who has a history of QB development is a coup not a settle.

Our job is a great job. If you don't believe me, just look at our last 3 ADs. They are at Alabama, Auburn and Florida.
11-25-2023, 01:01 PM
Todd4State

Quote:

Originally Posted by smootness

Boring and stale does not matter. The only thing that matters is wins.

Our best basketball coaches have been Stansbury and Jans, hardly guys who exude excitement.

This is not true. Our fans don't want to be the Iowa of the SEC. Iowa won 10 games this year and they're one of the biggest jokes in college football because their offense was the same as ours this year.

Imagine the Egg Bowl intro in 2025.

"High flying and exciting Ole Miss vs boring and blue collar ground and pound Mississippi State. Thursday at 6:30 on ESPN".
11-25-2023, 01:04 PM
PMDawg

Well, I liked the Joe Mo hire initially, and did not like the Leach hire. So, maybe it's a good thing if we hire someone I don't like. You never really know how things will shake out. I'm more than willing to admit that much.
11-25-2023, 01:05 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

This is not true. Our fans don't want to be the Iowa of the SEC. Iowa won 10 games this year and they're one of the biggest jokes in college football because their offense was the same as ours this year.

Imagine the Egg Bowl intro in 2025.

"High flying and exciting Ole Miss vs boring and blue collar ground and pound Mississippi State. Thursday at 6:30 on ESPN".

Sure you'd prefer to be putting up points. No question. But if "looking pretty" is more important than winning , we'll have to disagree. Hell in tech and ten we lost to uga 42-35 w Tony shell flinging it all over the field. That what you prefer??
11-25-2023, 01:10 PM
Really Clark?

Quote:

Originally Posted by confucius say

But it was Selmon who liked Sumrall.

Keenum isn't running the search behind closed doors.

Selmon does like Sumrall. Lebby as well. We tried to hire Briles last year as OC, the former ties to Baylor is not an issue for Lebby with us either.
11-25-2023, 01:10 PM
CoachT14

Quote:

Originally Posted by smootness

You?re insane if you think Jans excited the fanbase upon being hired.

Hahaha. Okay buddy.
11-25-2023, 01:11 PM
civildawg

Man it sucks about Lashlee. If he was at any other G5 besides SMU I think he would be interested
11-25-2023, 01:12 PM
DownwardDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd4State

This is not true. Our fans don't want to be the Iowa of the SEC. Iowa won 10 games this year and they're one of the biggest jokes in college football because their offense was the same as ours this year.

Imagine the Egg Bowl intro in 2025.

"High flying and exciting Ole Miss vs boring and blue collar ground and pound Mississippi State. Thursday at 6:30 on ESPN".

I would love to have a boring 10 win season while everyone else laughed at us. They could laugh as they got their asses beat. I'm fine with that.
11-25-2023, 01:17 PM
HoopsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homedawg

Sure you'd prefer to be putting up points. No question. But if "looking pretty" is more important than winning , we'll have to disagree. Hell in tech and ten we lost to uga 42-35 w Tony shell flinging it all over the field. That what you prefer??

You and 34 think we suck as a program so wouldn't you prefer to at least be entertained. We are always going to win at least 4 games.
11-25-2023, 01:23 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

You and 34 think we suck as a program so wouldn't you prefer to at least be entertained. We are always going to win at least 4 games.

I didn't say we suck. I think it's a really hard job. History bears that out. Sorry if you disagree w that. I'll take the ten wins over looking pretty. Considering that's happened once EVER most people would be on my side.
11-25-2023, 01:24 PM
Turfdawg67

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

I would love to have a boring 10 win season while everyone else laughed at us. They could laugh as they got their asses beat. I'm fine with that.

Yeah, that's an odd hill to stand on. I'll take 10 SEC wins by any means necessary. Lol
11-25-2023, 01:24 PM
Homedawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

You and 34 think we suck as a program so wouldn't you prefer to at least be entertained. We are always going to win at least 4 games.

Been way more years we won't 4 or less than won ten. So I'll stick w my point. Give me wins.
11-25-2023, 01:26 PM
Todd4State

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homedawg

Sure you'd prefer to be putting up points. No question. But if "looking pretty" is more important than winning , we'll have to disagree. Hell in tech and ten we lost to uga 42-35 w Tony shell flinging it all over the field. That what you prefer??

I prefer winning 56-10 to 35-0. In this day and age it absolutely matters. Especially when you're trying to sell a product to fans it matters.

Let's say we lose to Alabama 45-42 then all of a sudden you have the media talking about how close we played Alabama. Compared to 40-17.

MSU's administrators don't get it and never have because they don't know how to sell anything other than baseball.
11-25-2023, 01:27 PM
Turfdawg67

Quote:

Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Hiring the top offensive coordinator in the country who has a history of QB development is a coup not a settle.

Our job is a great job. If you don't believe me, just look at our last 3 ADs. They are at Alabama, Auburn and Florida.

Sounds like a great stepping stone.
11-25-2023, 01:29 PM
Todd4State

Quote:

Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

I would love to have a boring 10 win season while everyone else laughed at us. They could laugh as they got their asses beat. I'm fine with that.

That's only happened once for us since 1980. The issue is we win 10 games and our program still gets run down. It's just not a sustainable way for us to have major success.

Scoring as many points as possible is though. It gives us a much better chance of having a special season.
11-25-2023, 01:31 PM
Todd4State

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homedawg

Been way more years we won't 4 or less than won ten. So I'll stick w my point. Give me wins.

You're trying to make this about wins and losses.

I'm making it wins vs wins. 10 win seasons with a high scoring offense is preferable to 10 wins with a boring offense.
11-25-2023, 01:31 PM
BigDawg81

Michigan State just hired Jonathan Smith. Hopefully, we are the next MSU that hires today.
11-25-2023, 01:38 PM
HoopsDawg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Todd4State

You're trying to make this about wins and losses.

I'm making it wins vs wins. 10 win seasons with a high scoring offense is preferable to 10 wins with a boring offense.

We aren't winning 9-10 games with a boring offense so their point is moot.
11-25-2023, 01:43 PM
Mjoelner34

I'm all for 10 wins and whatever it takes to get there but what is more likely in the SEC, you win 10 by averaging 24 and giving up 20 or win 10 because you average 35 and give up 30? No matter who the coach is or what they run, there will be days where your O $hits the bed and there will be days when your D $hits the bed. The difference is, when the D gives up those points, they don't come off the board and while your O may look dead, it could awaken at any time and go off. But, you have to have an O capable of doing that. Look no further than Auburn 2021. If Mullen were the coach and we were down 28-3, there is no doubt that game would have been over in the 2nd quarter.

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