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12-13-2022, 01:07 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

My opinion: Arnett will be the next coach. I believe they've been working to find an offensive coordinator already. I think there will be a couple staff changes & we'll move forward. I would expect a low-end contract with a low-end buyout to cover our asses.
As a State fan and Arnett fan, I think it's the only logical path due to the circumstances.

I think your opinion is 100% correct.
12-13-2022, 01:07 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Santiago

If Benko as AD, he has already hired Helton at Ga Southern. Is Helton's brother the HC at Western KY, and runs the air raid? I am just talking out loud here.

Clay and Tyson both run the Air Raid. Tyson Helton would be an ideal fit for us.
12-13-2022, 01:13 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

Sonny Dykes is currently in the playoffs and could possilby win the NC. I think he'll be a hard get at any salary. He currently makes $6M at TCU but he'll almost certainly get a big raise just for being in the final 4. That said, give him a shot. It doesn't cost anything to ask and negotiate.

Texas and OU are leaving the B12. No way Dykes leaves TCU and that big salary in a conference he can likely win most seasons
12-13-2022, 01:16 PM
662dawg

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12-13-2022, 01:18 PM
662dawg

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

Our players and recruits don't care who the AD is but they do want to know and need to know who their coaches will be, sooner rather than later.

Agree
12-13-2022, 01:19 PM
662dawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Clay and Tyson both run the Air Raid. Tyson Helton would be an ideal fit for us.

Clay just went 4-8 at Ga. Southern. No way in hell he's our next head coach lol. Tyson went 8-5 at WK, but I can't see him here either other than an Offensive coordinator & he's likely not doing that.
12-13-2022, 01:20 PM
Cooterpoot

With us pushing back our AD search, we won't have an AD until after Christmas IMO. I don't know if we announce Arnett ahead of signing day or not. If we do, I have to believe we've got a commitment from a good OC (think Air Raid/Leach disciple). It's weird deal with a bowl game and signing day and just terrible timing. My only fear is we roll over and just stick a staff member in at OC permanently.
12-13-2022, 01:26 PM
Matt3467

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

Anyone that thinks we had a bad defense last year did not watch our games.

Our defense carried our team and Arnett shut down some solid offenses all year.

I'm not saying I want him as the next HC, but down playing what he did last year is just bullshit.

This. No way anyone that has watched us believe that Arnett is a below average DC. Heck I think he's dang near the best we've had in a very long time. Imagine him with the 2018 D.
12-13-2022, 01:26 PM
662dawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

With us pushing back our AD search, we won't have an AD until after Christmas IMO. I don't know if we announce Arnett ahead of signing day or not. If we do, I have to believe we've got a commitment from a good OC (think Air Raid/Leach disciple). It's weird deal with a bowl game and signing day and just terrible timing. My only fear is we roll over had just stick a staff member in at OC permanently.

I truly believe this is our best route. I really wish Spurrier Jr would have been ready to take over as a HC, leave Arnette as DC & pay him a lot of money & then find another Leach disciple for OC. IMO Spurrier Jr would be really good from a marketing & name recognition standpoint. But not sure he's ready for the primetime.
12-13-2022, 01:30 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

I truly believe this is our best route. I really wish Spurrier Jr would have been ready to take over as a HC, leave Arnette as DC & pay him a lot of money & then find another Leach disciple for OC. IMO Spurrier Jr would be really good from a marketing & name recognition standpoint. But not sure he's ready for the primetime.

Spurrier is the last coach on staff you'd want as coach. Players don't even like him much. I honestly hope he finds another job and we bring Bump home.
12-13-2022, 01:31 PM
Santiago

This bowl game might be a time we really appreciate Will Rogers on the field, with his own playcalling.
12-13-2022, 01:31 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

Clay just went 4-8 at Ga. Southern. No way in hell he's our next head coach lol. Tyson went 8-5 at WK, but I can't see him here either other than an Offensive coordinator & he's likely not doing that.

Tyson Helton took a 3-9 WKU and went 9-4 his first season. He is 31-21 and gone to 4 straight Bowls, won 8 games in 3 of 4 seasons, had the #2 scoring offense in '21 with a #30 SOS, and finished #1 & #2 in passing offense the past 2 seasons respectively.
He comes from a coaching family, and has worked for offensive minded HC's like June Jones, Neil Callaway, and Jeff Brohm.

I'm not sold on him being the guy - but he's shown he can coach.
12-13-2022, 01:31 PM
KOdawg1

HC- Arnett
OC/QB- Littrell or Kittley
DC/LB- Matt Brock
RB- Washington
OWR- Chad Bumphis (Spurrier if Bump says no)
IWR/TE- Hollingshead
OL- Miller
DL- Phelps
CB- McBath
S- Hughes
ST- Mele

This would be my ideal staff
12-13-2022, 01:33 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

I truly believe this is our best route. I really wish Spurrier Jr would have been ready to take over as a HC, leave Arnette as DC & pay him a lot of money & then find another Leach disciple for OC. IMO Spurrier Jr would be really good from a marketing & name recognition standpoint. But not sure he's ready for the primetime.

What schools have been interested in Spurrier Jr. as a HC or OC? The old ball coach (his Dad) is why his name is known.
12-13-2022, 01:45 PM
Santiago

Anyone in the know help out on this question. Was it as much of Benko than Cohen that targeted hiring Mike Leach?
12-13-2022, 01:46 PM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by ImissCityBagel

Where has he failed? Especially in the QB development aspect.

He had arguably the best QB in the NFL and went 7-6 and 5-7 with him as the starting QB at Tech. He went 35-40 at Tech. That would be an absolutely horrible hire.
12-13-2022, 01:47 PM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

With us pushing back our AD search, we won't have an AD until after Christmas IMO. I don't know if we announce Arnett ahead of signing day or not. If we do, I have to believe we've got a commitment from a good OC (think Air Raid/Leach disciple). It's weird deal with a bowl game and signing day and just terrible timing. My only fear is we roll over and just stick a staff member in at OC permanently.

Pushing the AD search back to after the holidays is so misguided.
12-13-2022, 01:51 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

Clay just went 4-8 at Ga. Southern. No way in hell he's our next head coach lol. Tyson went 8-5 at WK, but I can't see him here either other than an Offensive coordinator & he's likely not doing that.

Clay went 6-6 in year one at Georgia Southern. Only reason he might come is if Benko is the AD.
12-13-2022, 01:51 PM
662dawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Spurrier is the last coach on staff you'd want as coach. Players don't even like him much. I honestly hope he finds another job and we bring Bump home.

I have never heard this before. Interesting. 🤔

People on here said similar things about Leach as well but it was far from reality. I'm honestly not sure on Spurrier.
12-13-2022, 01:54 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Pushing the AD search back to after the holidays is so misguided.

With all due respect to Keenum and the situation he really needs to think about this.

Yes I understand we need to be respectful. Yes I understand we don't need to rush an AD hire. But we also need to do what is best for MSU and our players long term as well. That's just reality.
12-13-2022, 01:54 PM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

I have never heard this before. Interesting. ��

People on here said similar things about Leach as well but it was far from reality. I'm honestly not sure on Spurrier.

Seen several hint at he was part of the issues with Rara and Zavion. Don't know the truth behind that though.
12-13-2022, 01:55 PM
662dawg

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Clay went 6-6 in year one at Georgia Southern. Only reason he might come is if Benko is the AD.

And worse than that this year. If Benko came in and hired Clay Helton you'd probably piss off over half the fan base. IMO that would be a terrible first hire to make. I think it would be momentum crushing.
12-13-2022, 01:55 PM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

With all due respect to Keenum and the situation he really needs to think about this.

Yes I understand we need to be respectful. Yes I understand we don't need to rush an AD hire. But we also need to do what is best for MSU and our players long term as well. That's just reality.

Completely agree. It's not easy, but sometimes tough decision have to be made. This hire needs to happen asap.
12-13-2022, 01:56 PM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

And worse than that this year. If Benko came in and hired Clay Helton you'd probably piss off over half the fan base. IMO that would be a terrible first hire to make. I think it would be momentum crushing.

Clay Helton has no business being the head coach at State. He failed spectacularly at USC with all the resources in the world.
12-13-2022, 01:58 PM
662dawg

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Seen several hint at he was part of the issues with Rara and Zavion. Don't know the truth behind that though.

I can't argue that they didn't like Spurrier Jr bc I'd be lying. I don't know. But it isn't why they left. They felt like they were worth more than they're actually were. Especially RaRa.
12-13-2022, 01:59 PM
662dawg

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Clay Helton has no business being the head coach at State. He failed spectacularly at USC with all the resources in the world.

Agreed
12-13-2022, 01:59 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Pushing the AD search back to after the holidays is so misguided.

The only logical reason on that if we were going to hire Arnett as our HC. The players and our recruits need to know the coaching situation sooner rather then later, and they don't care who the AD is. There is no best solution concerning the route to go in hiring a HC under these circumstances. There are positives and negatives to any situation you pursue.
12-13-2022, 02:01 PM
CoachT14

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

I can't argue that they didn't like Spurrier Jr bc I'd be lying. I don't know. But it isn't why they left. They felt like they were worth more than they're actually were. Especially RaRa.

Oh I know, but I think his relationship with them did not help the situation needless to say.
12-13-2022, 02:02 PM
Really Clark?

The AD search had to be pushed back because of conflicts with timing, funeral and the holidays. There were interviews still scheduled to take place end of this week.
12-13-2022, 02:03 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

I can't argue that they didn't like Spurrier Jr bc I'd be lying. I don't know. But it isn't why they left. They felt like they were worth more than they're actually were. Especially RaRa.

Zavion wanted to play at LSU and maybe he thought he had an offer, but he apparently got misled by the one advising him. He may even be back. RaRa was the money one.
12-13-2022, 02:04 PM
662dawg

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Originally Posted by CoachT14

Oh I know, but I think his relationship with them did not help the situation needless to say.

I definitely can't argue that point. I have no idea. If he isn't liked among the players then we definitely can't consider him as a head coach or even an offensive coordinator lol.

But I just go back to how so many people were completely wrong when they said similar things about Leach. This team absolutely loved the guy. Offensive & defensive players. This is going to be really hard on these young men.
12-13-2022, 02:06 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

The AD search had to be pushed back because of conflicts with timing, funeral and the holidays. There were interviews still scheduled to take place end of this week.

Pushing back for a few days, sure, but if you have access to a plane, not sure why you'd push it back past the holidays.
12-13-2022, 02:11 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

Pushing back for a few days, sure, but if you have access to a plane, not sure why you'd push it back past the holidays.

Again, there are conflicts. With us and the candidates and throwing the holidays and plans on top of it. It's ok, we will be fine. It won't destroy our program in a matter of few weeks.
12-13-2022, 02:11 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

The only logical reason on that if we were going to hire Arnett as our HC. The players and our recruits need to know the coaching situation sooner rather then later, and they don't care who the AD is. There is no best solution concerning the route to go in hiring a HC under these circumstances. There are positives and negatives to any situation you pursue.

We drug our feet spectacularly on hiring a new AD. Keenum deserves criticism for that. But, with a low end contract with a low buyout, hiring a coach now is likely going to happen IMO. It just makes sense. Sucks all this is happening. But if Arnett doesn't work out in two years you cut him loose. Of course, many seem to forget, players can haul ass when the coach is fired. So it's this year or in a couple years if it doesn't work out. Pick your poison and pray Arnett works out.
12-13-2022, 02:14 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by 662dawg

And worse than that this year. If Benko came in and hired Clay Helton you'd probably piss off over half the fan base. IMO that would be a terrible first hire to make. I think it would be momentum crushing.

To be clear I would want Tyson Helton his brother but why would hiring Clay Helton piss off half the fan base? You're mistaken he went 6-6 this year and he beat Nebraska and Appalachian State.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...es/ar-AA14EPQ5
12-13-2022, 02:16 PM
Catfish

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We drug our feet spectacularly on hiring a new AD. Keenum deserves criticism for that. But, with a low end contract with a low buyout, hiring a coach now is likely going to happen IMO. It just makes sense. Sucks all this is happening. But if Arnett doesn't work out in two years you cut him loose. Of course, many seem to forget, players can haul ass when the coach is fired. So it's this year or in a couple years if it doesn't work out. Pick your poison and pray Arnett works out.

Can the players leave now under our coaching circumstances?
12-13-2022, 02:18 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We drug our feet spectacularly on hiring a new AD. Keenum deserves criticism for that. But, with a low end contract with a low buyout, hiring a coach now is likely going to happen IMO. It just makes sense. Sucks all this is happening. But if Arnett doesn't work out in two years you cut him loose. Of course, many seem to forget, players can haul ass when the coach is fired. So it's this year or in a couple years if it doesn't work out. Pick your poison and pray Arnett works out.

THIS
12-13-2022, 02:23 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Can the players leave now under our coaching circumstances?

If players can get a pass when their coach leaves, there's no way in hell the ncaa would stop them after the death of a coach
12-13-2022, 02:23 PM
yjnkdawg

DELETE
12-13-2022, 02:25 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

We drug our feet spectacularly on hiring a new AD. Keenum deserves criticism for that. But, with a low end contract with a low buyout, hiring a coach now is likely going to happen IMO. It just makes sense. Sucks all this is happening. But if Arnett doesn't work out in two years you cut him loose. Of course, many seem to forget, players can haul ass when the coach is fired. So it's this year or in a couple years if it doesn't work out. Pick your poison and pray Arnett works out.

I disagree. We had no immediate coaching hires - so taking our time and finding a quality fit was way more important than rushing this hire. Rushing a hire is partly how we wound up with Cohen.

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