Absolutely agree but ... not getting my hopes up on it. I'm like you in that I wish Leach would reconsider.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
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Absolutely agree but ... not getting my hopes up on it. I'm like you in that I wish Leach would reconsider.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
If we were going to keep Shoop we would have done it already. I still think we need to look at the USM guy or the UAB guy.
My guess is we're about to get somebody out of left field
Like IYOK said, swing back around to Hazelton at KSU and push for him. He only makes $550k. Offer him $1-1.2 mil.
Go talk to Bateman. It's been said he had interest in the job but we never contacted him much. He's only making $600k. Get to $1-1.2 mil and I don't see him saying no to that if he has interest in the job.
I'm guessing it's going to be someone completely out of left field and won't be either of them.
Clemson is the only one I can remember that did.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
There's a thought in me that Shoop may not want to be DC right now anyway. Not sure tho. Between his down years at TN and this past year and the acrimonious parting with PSU, he has some baggage that may be putting top tier programs off some. I was kinda fearing that Saban may snatch him up. Glad that didn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
And they did that due to staff continuityQuote:
Originally Posted by Bothrops
And being in a great location to land talent in a conference that allows teams to rise. I don't think dabo could've built that program in Starkville in the sec westQuote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
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Originally Posted by msstate7
Yeah, Shoop's had a weird run over the past four seasons in the SEC. 2018's defense was obviously elite. But the other three years stunk. Bad. Maybe it's just bad luck, but damn. I mean, in three of the past four years his defenses have been 12th, 11th, and 12th in the SEC scoring D, 14th, 10th, and 11th in the SEC in total D, 12th, 14th, and 11th in the SEC in opponents' yards per rush, 9th, 14th, and 10th in the SEC in opponents' 3rd down conversion %, and 10th, 10th, and 13th in opponents' redzone TD%.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
That's either a hell of a string of inexplicably bad luck or a troubling trend. Either way, I can see why another school would look at those numbers from afar and balk at giving him a P5 DC gig right now.
He certainly is in a pretty good location and also not surrounded by 2 behemoths and 2 break the rules at all costs wannabees either.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Agree. Proximity to Atlanta & in a conference that provided little resistance. Huge advantages.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Still though, they've always had those advantages. It was the coaching staff continuity & a transcendent leader in Dabo that really figured out the secret sauce.
Clayton White - WKU
David Reese - UAB
Scottie Hazelton - Kansas St
Jay Bateman - UNC
Some names to remember
What's your thoughts on White & Reese?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Not with Veneables. If he wanted a HC job he would have been gone years ago and then we have no idea if that would be true with a DC.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
This whole coaching search even with Leach has the potential to be a cluster**** of epic proportions.
I don't think you understand what epic proportions meansQuote:
Originally Posted by mparkerfd20
Only if he hires the wrong guy. Whether or not you've heard of him is meaningless.Quote:
Originally Posted by mparkerfd20
Personally, I think once DCs are competent, there is very little difference between them.
Defense above all else is decided by talent & speed. Offense is where I care much more about hiring.
Mullen had a different DC almost every year at MSU & he still won
Nobody remembers coaching searches if the coaches win. You think TN fans care about the Schiano debacle & all the jokes they took? Nobody cares now because it's looking like the got the hire right.Quote:
Originally Posted by mparkerfd20
They both have things that I like about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Prepare for a debate on your last statement, which I agree with BTWQuote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Defense may suck this season. Get ready for it.
I look for most of the loud, angry MSU fans that hated Moohead to hate Leach just as bad (except for the improved passing numbers).
We will lose games, but bet the over. Can't have it all. It's a trade-off. Offense will put butts in the seats.
I mean I guess the last half of the season could be a fluke but he looks like he has them headed in the right direction.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
You think the defense may suck because the Navy coach didn't take the job?Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
I'm missing your point here.
I think we need to... you know hire a DC 1st. The defense may suck but I think it's a little early to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
Butch Jones took them to two 9 win seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Was he the right guy?
I agree that Pruitt has them going in the right direction, but I see very little chance that he gets the offense figured out at a high enough level to become an SEC East contender.
He's at best the 4th best coach in the East as it's undeniable that Smart, Mullen, & Stoops are better.
I think Tennessee has stabilized some under him, but I haven't watched them yet & thought "the light bulb came on" & that's usually the case when the right coach is in place.
I'll have more patience with leach bc of his track record and bc I don't think this is a very good teamQuote:
Originally Posted by MaroonFlounder
You're fine to feel that way. I'm not trying to sway anybody opinion. My point remains nobody is still laughing about their coaching search but the team is playing well.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
I agree. I think we have the right guy now & I think he has a chip on his shoulder.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstate7
Bo Bounds was talking this morning about how his "source"(who I am sure is Bartoo) said that Leach was irate when Oregon passed on him in favor of Cristobal. Couldn't believe they didn't hire him
I think Leach has a mighty big chip on his shoulder due to the lack of respect that people have given his career & he's out to prove something.
I don't think this team will be great, but I still think they could win 7-8 games. I think this year's team may remind us of the "We Believe" year team. They started off 7 or 8-0 but weren't very good.
The schedule lines up for us this year. If we eek one out at NC State, we're going to win some games.
For sure. I think some of that perception is aided by how terrible Joe & Chad were. Pruitt came away looking better than he really is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
I don't think it's that because TN not supposed to be comparing itself to Arky or MSU. I think it's because they didn't look good his 1st 15-16 games then he won 7 out of his last 8. 6 of those 7 teams were bowl eligible. He did a good job of turning the ship around.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
The biggest thing that kills defense from what I see is (1) Missed assignments/ confusion and (2) Base lack of talent. The really bad defenses we've had at state just were slow or blew a lot of assignments on the backend.
We need enough recruiters to get enough talent to compete and then coaches who can implement it properly.
Just offer Jay Bateman and call it a day.
Is Mike Stoops a darkhorse candidate here, IYOK?
I'm not too familiar with how his defenses have actually done in the past. I just know everyone now remembers him for OU's awful defense in 2018. How has he done other than that year though?
This. Pruitt had them playing hard and that comeback bowl win showed how far they had come from a team that earlier in the season would've packed it in after being down like that. He appears to have changed the culture of that program. They gave bama a tough game too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
Kind of like Felipe Franks, I've not watched TN yet under Pruitt and thought they looked like a good football team, even though their record may say otherwiseQuote:
Originally Posted by Commercecomet24
That's the 1st name I've heard that I've been 100% against.Quote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
Well no it isn't. We don't really know enough about Pruitt to make that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
And Pruitt doesn't necessarily have to figure out the offense himself. Smart doesn't run any offense. Neither does Orgeron. Saban doesn't really, either.
He didn’t have a good defense at OK since 2015. The rest were below average to horridQuote:
Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19
I personally don't know much about his history of defenses. Just that OU fans HATED him as the DC for the last several years seemed like.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew
What's your opinion on Ruffin McNeill? Is he a candidate? Coached with Leach for a while at TT and at OU right now.
I say just offer Bateman the job and let's roll but that's just my own opinion which don't amount to too much in a coaching search lol.
You can sugar coat it all you want, and no I'm not panicking, but I'm not thrilled with the way this is going. WSU's defensive guys have done nothing that have warranted coaching in the SEC. They may be good coaches, but anyone on a staff that finished 11th in the Pac12 in total defense, 286 passing yards, 170 rushing yards, and 31 points a game should not be promoted to the SEC. I don't care if there was a talent gap or if they fired the DC mid-way through the year. SEC ready coaches don't finish in the bottom of weak defensive conference. I wish Leach would've hired a DC and let him assemble the staff. If I'm a DC and I see that half of my defensive staff is already assembled for me with guys from the shittiest defense in the Pac12, I'm saying thanks but no thanks.
I like the talented young D-Line. The back half of the defense will struggle.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg
Combined with the fact that air raid will have our Defensive guys right back out there, continuously.