You have to ask your self why? Not like Ark and Missouri lit the world on fire with their hires.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
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You have to ask your self why? Not like Ark and Missouri lit the world on fire with their hires.Quote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Announce Billy, let him coach the Bowl game and in Starkville Tuesday.Quote:
Originally Posted by Msujd164
It gives me pause for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
It's not really micromanaging if the offense embarrassed the school so much that it results in the head coach being fired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Todd4State
It's not out of the realm that he told them no. But I do understand where you're coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Well it's not like either of those schools are known for making homerun hires (after the fact). Just think about the guys we passed over last go round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
You bring up a good point, but I think it should be noted Arkansas either couldn't get anyone to take their job or they just liked their internal guy more..... whatever it is I think naiper not being hired at Arkansas has more to do with Arkansas than naiper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Lambert
Mizzou made a good hire and Napier could have turned down the UPig job. Some guys wont jump at just any job- especially one that is going to take a couple of years to rebuild and has struggled for awhileQuote:
Originally Posted by HoopsDawg
Pitman had a lot of people in his corner, players, former players, boosters, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by deadheaddawg
Some guys won't jump ship at just any job- especially one where their future employer has demonstrated that they will fire them before 2 years have passed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
So you like the direction our program is going and feel Moorhead should get another year or two?Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
He's a "we can't do that, we are Poor Ole Mittittippi State" fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstatelp1
I do not like the direction the program is head and I do think Moorhead should get another year.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstatelp1
If my father earned a multi-million dollar salary I would have to say no to a part time job especially a restaurant job. The money would not be worth the grief that comes from being a kid of a high profile parent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coursesuper
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
I’m not so sure on the Mizzou hire. He had a great year at App St, but he’s very unproven and won all those games with Satterfields team. I would’ve been irate if we had hired him in this same cycle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
No I am a realist.Quote:
Originally Posted by CoachT14
These two phrases don't really compute...Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Good point. Maybe Napier decide it's better to stay at ULL for another week, another month, or another year, in order to get the right job fit for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I do think my liver is failing and I do think I'll have another drink.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
No, you're a dumbassQuote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
I can respect that but just curious if you think he could get the program turned around this next year?Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
If we make a change, it's likely Hud.
For 20 years ago. It just doesn’t hold true like you think in this era. Coaches want time but they know at this level and salary they have to put a competitive product on the field. And most are looking to move up faster in today’s game.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Usually a realist sees the writing on the wall for what it is, and makes change accordingly for future's sake. Chess, not checkers.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
And you call yourself a realist? Wow. That's some pure delusional thinking right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Because I don't think we are in a position to fire coaches after 2 years that have a winning record (This is a fact).Quote:
Originally Posted by Kain32
It's true that I do not like where the program seems to be headed, but from an outsider's perspective it really doesn't seem like he has done all that bad.Maybe a little underwhelming, but not a complete disaster. It could discourage future coaching candidates by making them believe that the fan base's expectations are too high.
If he continues to digress I would be in favor of letting him go next season.
You're going to lose a whole lot of revenue while you wait one more year. You're also going to have 2 programs that have been dumpsters for the past 3-4 years gearing back up.. no reason to wait.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Lol. No coach worth their salt is going to be turned off by a fan base that was mad at a guy who underachieved significantly his first two seasons in arguably the schools best years of success.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
I'd even argue that most coaches probably assume they would've killed it with our team last year and this year unlike the literal buffoon running our program right now.
So we wouldn't be appealing to coaches who don't like high expectations. I'd be ok with that. I don't see that as a problem at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Just now saw this thread and wanted to say a few things.
First, Megan Mullen was a TV personality. Being in front of the camera and in the spotlight is nothing that she wasn?t prepared for. She was a tremendous representative of our school while here.
Second, if we hire Joe a Brady as HC, it will be the riskiest hire in SEC football history. He may be a better version of Nick Saban in the long run, but his resumes is entirely too short on coaching, recruiting, and seeing the way various college programs are run. After watching JoMo try to run this offense... I kinda only want Brady on staff if JoMo is kept. If we hire a new HC.... I want to get as far away from the JoMo offense as possible. It won?t work with the types of players we get. It will work with elite players... and those guys are not choosing to play here regularly.
Third, if you can?t see what Napier has done at ULL and be very impressed, then your perspective on analyzing football is off. What he has done in 2 years there is pretty remarkable. He has experience in both Dabos and Saban program. While I wish he had a few more years running his program at ULL before we offered him.... we are at a position where we might need to roll the dice on someone with the profile of Napier. Napier is probably my favorite choice to replace JoMo. I cannot think of a candidate, that we could legitimately hire, that would look better on paper than him.
Fourth, JoMo sucks ass. But I will argue that his hire wasn?t a bad one, at the time. His experience/success as a HC and big time OC was unrivaled and he interviewed really well. I?m sure Cohen learned a lot, looking back on that process... but JoMo was highly regarded in the field and we were praised for getting him by EVERYONE. It clearly didnt work out cause JoMo has an accountability issue... but at the time of the hire, it wasn?t necessarily a bad one,
Fifth, the biggest miss in our programs history is going to be not offering Scott Satterfield the job in 2017. Watching that Louisville team this year, compared to what they were last year... and it damn near brings me to tears on what might?ve been. We would?ve won a minimum of 10 games last year and 8 games this year with him as coach and there?s really not a lot you could say to change my mind on those numbers.
Finally, I really hope we figure out a way to move on from JoMo. I cannot stand the guy.
Happy New Year.
ETA: I would be content with a Willie Fritz also. HUD would scare me, but I can also see him being our a Orgeron on a smaller scale (rah rah recruiter, hires great coordinators). Chizik would be very underwhelming, but I view him in a similar light as I view HUD.
It certainly isn't looking great right now. Given the schedule next season, I think he could have some success and end up with a winning record. If we have another season like this one ( suspensions, unpreparedness, etc.) I will feel like we have given him a fair shake, and will support making a change.Quote:
Originally Posted by msstatelp1
If a future coaching candidate doesn't take the time to see WHY we are making a move and/or is scared of expectations, he isn't the right candidate anyway. Any coach worth his salt thinks he can come in here and get the job done. We're not even asking for championships, just beat the teams with inferior talent and put a competent product on the field. Do that and we'll pay you $3-5 million a year. One more year isn't going to open up the candidate pool to guys thinking "oh well they gave Moorhead 3 years so I'll consider it, but if they fired him last year I would not be interested."Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Other coaches see and have specifically stated we have under achieved these last two seasons. Winning record or not, he has under achieved and his peers see that.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
But beyond that, we have issues with our culture, discipline and program away from games issues. A lot of our game problems are symptoms of a program problem. That has to be corrected and he has been directly in charge of tearing down the culture that was already established. In just 2 years. It goes beyond just wins and losses and coaches know that the record was worse than it should have been.
Waiting until something becomes a complete disaster before correcting a hiring mistake is not how good businesses are run.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Any coach that knows anything about their profession knows Moorhead failed. No way future hires would think we have too high of expectations.Quote:
Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson
Haha, Yea he did. Sorry, cigar boys was my word. I took it as the guys with the money.Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgday166
Realist? The realist can tell the difference between win/loss records and a semblance of order and preparation on the field.
It could be argued that it is unreasonable to expect a new offense to be installed and wins to be generated consistently in 2 years. I wouldn't be convinced by that argument, but I could see the basis for the position.
It cannot be argued that what I saw on the field Monday night represents the result of two years of positive culture change. There was constant confusion... not just on defense, but on the side of the ball where you get to dial up the play. There were constant bad decisions. There was an obstinate overuse of a QB who demonstrated repeatedly that he did not have the speed to execute the system of which he was the expert captain. Defense let the Cards convert 3rd and long the whole game. In 60 minutes of game time it looked like we had a team playing on the same page maybe 15-20 minutes.
You don't have to win 10 games to at least look like you planned to be on the field together that day playing a game against an opponent you knew a month ago. Forget the win/loss numbers. Just start by considering the preparation and -- dare I say it -- the relentless effort.
Mullen went 5-7 in 2009, with less talent, and on 1/1/2010 we all knew that our program was heading in the right direction. Not because of 5 wins, but because of how we played and how the culture was changing.
We went 8-5 and 6-7 in 2018 and 2019, with more talent, and there is not a person on earth who would argue that our program has moved anywhere but down.
That's "realism." Looking at reality. We are on a massive slide and need to do something now to change the trajectory.
"My wife and I have been fighting this week so I am filing for divorce tomorrow"Quote:
Originally Posted by mstatefan91
Analogies are dumb and can always go either way you want to argue it.