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Originally Posted by KOdawg1
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LOL! What? Ok...Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Prove me wrong. And I don't mean respond with a snarky response or something vague. Specifically point out how we've improved the LT, TE, and Edge positions from last year. Go ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
He certainly can't prove you wrong. All he can really do is say "look at all these stars when these kids were in HS".Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
Lets hope he is right. All of our DL portal signees throughout their careers don't have as many tackles or sacks as Whitson did in 2023 alone.
The positive spin is that we are going after kids who have high upside. The negative spin, we are signing kids who haven't done shit so far on the P4 level.
Lets hope for all of our viewing enjoyment that he is right, and we are wrong. I do not agree with this approach, but the portal is closed and it appears this is the roster we are going to war with next year.
I find it very interesting that a significant number of folks said our OL couldn't get any worse two weeks ago, then when the starting LT for that group leaves in the portal, who got abused on countless occasions, we all of a sudden suck at OL now.
If our season hung on Jayvin James returning or not returning, there was no hope to begin with people. He wasn't a good piece on a bad OL.
I imagine if we really wanted Jayvin James to stay we would do what we needed to do to keep him. We didn't do that so that tells me the staff thinks he is pretty expendable.Quote:
Originally Posted by MetEdDawg
Where do you want to start? OT? McVay is a seasoned starter. Sneh... has played LT since his college career began in 2022. He is an older seasoned guy has not allowed a sack in 2 years as a starter.Quote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
James alone allowed 4 sacks and more hurries. He was responsible for 7 flags.
Thats improvement.
It?s because they are the only ones that will come play for this staff. Same reason we have hired a DC that lied to our team 2 years ago back in the program. It?s why we could only get the assistants we got. All Lebby has done since day 1 is swing and miss. If money is no longer an issue, then what is?Quote:
Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog
McVay isn't a LT. We haven't landed Sneh yet. Until we do, that isn't an improvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
Okay, now do TE and Edge. You left that out. How have we improved there?
Hearing that we would have to pay right at 6 mil to get Seaton and we are backing off.
Seaton isnt coming here if we paid that. He's going to Miami, LSU, or Oregon.Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDawg81
We haven?t. And ain?t going to. If you are a HS or portal kid, unless you just love State, why would you come here? What has Lebby done? It?s not like he is super likable or endearing to anyone. He hasn?t done one memorable thing for me personally except lose. He doesn?t work the referees or the sideline, it?s just kinda boringQuote:
Originally Posted by KOdawg1
The money is there. The playing field is supposedly more even. I don?t think so but whatever. What excuse is there? We are staring a football black hole in the face until we get new admins and coaches that kids can get behind and excited about. Or at least provide something. Cignetti is about as personable and relatable as a rock, but at least he is intense. He has something to hang his hat on. What is Lebbros? His swag? Rope hat?
I gotta imagine we are saving $2M by doing this even overpaying Sneh. Do we use that extra on an edge or were the people ponying up only willing to do it for Seaton? Is there no chance with Bell anymore or is he NFL bound?Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
We have yet to play a down of football with our first expensive, hell not even expensive just more on par, roster and youre already counting losses. Give it a rest dude, we will be fine and if we arent back to square 0 next December with what would be my guess a Lebby downgradeQuote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
We have upgraded the roster some from a talent standpoint. Guys aren’t coming to State no matter who the coach is if they can play at LSU or Miami
This isnt true like it used to be. Id conservatively say 75% of college dudes go to the highest bidder nowQuote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
INDIANA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
What is a downgrade on Lebby? Sylvester Croom got Fletcher Cox to play at State
Overall? Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
At key positions that we knew we needed to upgrade going in? Not necessarily.
If Lebby is fired in 2026, it means he probably has the 2nd worst tenure of any 21st century SEC head coach, only better than Chad Morris. Maybe Coach O at Ole Miss too, though getting to that point could save his job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
I hope that doesn't happen, but if it does, it would be really hard to downgrade.
Indiana doesn’t have a lot of highly rated players either except at QB. They didn’t outbid/grab guys away from Ohio St or Penn StQuote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
They just completed an undefeated season capped with a NC. Matching (or doubling) their all-time # of post season wins in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
INDIANA!!!
So....are you saying, its the money, stars, or coaching?
He also got Michael Henig to play QBQuote:
Originally Posted by Tater
folks on the plantation say that markel bell has eligibility remaining
You think we suck at recruiting players? Wait until next years coaching cycle comes if we hit the market. Mullen 2.0 ceiling unless we get a lot more seriousQuote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Its the age and experience with good coaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
He would not have dont that with a younger roster.
So....coaching and evaluation?Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackSailsDawg
I'm saying they did not outrecruit Ohio St, Michigan, Penn St, etc over the same players. Those guys didnt choose Indy over Ohio State. They signed a bunch of grown ass men and developed players extremely well. Remember guys posting in here they were 72nd in talent level according to 247???? Ohio St and Indiana havent been recruiting the same playersQuote:
Originally Posted by BeardoMSU
Be back with Arnett at HC by NovemberQuote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
Mullen 2.0 is a pipe dream here. I would forgive every sin and every game he half assed if he came backQuote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
Dak says stfu 34Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
If Lebby can?t make it past October 2026, it will show he should have been fired after the mayonnaise bowl. State is going to have to pay a sitting HC $9 mil to come here. No more cheap hiring coordinators for $4 mil. That strategy will no longer work for a bottom feeder program. Cignetti made $9 mil this year, only his second at a P4 program. Is State a P4 program? Let?s see it!
Mullen 2.0 would be a pretty big upgrade. Does anyone seriously think Mullen would be 2-17 against the P4 if we'd hired him instead of Lebby?Quote:
Originally Posted by Cowbeller
If that's all true, then there is hope for all of the "have nots" in the SEC and Big 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
Dak was a 3 star LSU Miles told he would likely play TE for them. Eat my ass dummyQuote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
Cignetti actually made about $11MM total plus the bonuses are going to get him to 14MM this yearQuote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious
You also have to add in people that will actually take our job. Willie Fritz turned us down to go to Houston. Too many of our fans think people drool for our job. I can assure you they do not- that is why we hire coordinators so often.
Dak wanted to play QB not sit the bench as a backup TE where Miles had him/Quote:
Originally Posted by 99jc
If State couldn?t hire a G6 sitting head coach or an FCS successful head coach for $8-$9 mil, then the program needs shuttering, the stadium bulldozed and turned into a 6 level parking garage! Good grief! Indiana was the losingest program in college football history and are now NC. State?s program, though not great over the entire history, is no where close to that bad! Shut it down if you truly believe what you just typed! No need in wasting any more money on football if Felker, Croom, Morehead and Lebby are the best State can do!Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach34
I mean....it's extremely possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****
Cignetti made $4 MIL his first year at Indiana.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainObvious