Where Things Stand Currently

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

I swear, sometimes I’m sure we could 17 up a football bat.

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Getting us back on topic.

Sounds like the demands were making of Lebby:
- Get an OC / split his duties up better
- Fire entire defensive staff
- Fire ST Coordinator
- One position coach position completely gone for OC.

Wish-casting:
Dykes out at TCU; we hire Kendall Briles to be OC
Aranda out at Baylor; get him as DC
Potentially Wilcox or Baker as DC are options

Only one person so far has said Lebby pushed back. Need double confirmation - everything else I've also heard as 'hopes' outside of this board - so that's double confirmation for me personally. Any other news to sum up?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Because there were multiple instances like AJ Brown during his tenure. His whole thing was what? Finding diamonds in the rough and developing them. Ok. So that era is over. Would he have been able to keep those diamonds after he developed them? And you can't just have those guys on the roster hanging out anymore.

You can compare players but it's apples and oranges because the era is completely different. This era is more like the AJ Brown situation than it is the Benardrick McKinney situation.

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His talents of talent evaluation would fit perfectly in the NIL era.

You have to be able to identity transfer players who are not great but could be. That is his strength.

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Originally Posted by Coursesuper

I swear, sometimes I’m sure we could 17 up a football bat.

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Haha!! No doubt!

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

Do you agree that he HAS to make significant staff changes or hit the road?

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Oh absolutely. I agree with pretty much every change that has been rumored. Especially on defense and special teams. I have said as much multiple times.

And I think he will make those changes. I don't think he's a complete dumbass.

Honestly, I think by keeping Hutzler and allowing us to build and improve we're in a better position to hire a better DC than last year.

Plus Lebby did make some changes last year. We brought in Rhodes and McIntyre and Loadholt. No reason why he wouldn't make changes now.

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Originally Posted by Tater

Getting us back on topic.

Sounds like the demands were making of Lebby:
- Get an OC / split his duties up better
- Fire entire defensive staff
- Fire ST Coordinator
- One position coach position completely gone for OC.

Wish-casting:
Dykes out at TCU; we hire Kendall Briles to be OC
Aranda out at Baylor; get him as DC
Potentially Wilcox or Baker as DC are options

Only one person so far has said Lebby pushed back. Need double confirmation - everything else I've also heard as 'hopes' outside of this board - so that's double confirmation for me personally. Any other news to sum up?

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Why would Dykes be fired at TCU? He had them in the NC game a couple years ago and I believe won 8 games this year after a down year last year. That doesn?t make any sense unless he is over NIL and retiring?

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Originally Posted by Tater

Getting us back on topic.

Sounds like the demands were making of Lebby:
- Get an OC / split his duties up better
- Fire entire defensive staff
- Fire ST Coordinator
- One position coach position completely gone for OC.

Wish-casting:
Dykes out at TCU; we hire Kendall Briles to be OC
Aranda out at Baylor; get him as DC
Potentially Wilcox or Baker as DC are options

Only one person so far has said Lebby pushed back. Need double confirmation - everything else I've also heard as 'hopes' outside of this board - so that's double confirmation for me personally. Any other news to sum up?

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Lebby is an excellent play caller. If you go and hire an OC, that is less money for a DC and the rest of the staff. He does need to improve aspects of game management. A 15 year old who plays Madden could help him with that.

1. Find an experienced DC with a proven track record. Pay him a lot of money and give him autonomy to pick his staff.

2. Offer Hutzler the opportunity to be the special teams coach or quit.

3. Go find players. Fortunately, we have a QB to build around

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

Why would Dykes be fired at TCU? He had them in the NC game a couple years ago and I believe won 8 games this year after a down year last year. That doesn?t make any sense unless he is over NIL and retiring?

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Texsa people are crazy. SMU making back to back playoffs and three straight "mediocre" seasons for TCU. Ego's are big and Dykes definitely is annoyed by it. My guy was louder before the Houston win and said it was 80% he was gone. Puts it at 50/50 which I'm assuming SVS is hearing similar since he's usually getting similar info out of Texsa connects as me.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Lebby is an excellent play caller. If you go and hire an OC, that is less money for a DC and the rest of the staff. He does need to improve aspects of game management. A 15 year old who plays Madden could help him with that.

1. Find an experienced DC with a proven track record. Pay him a lot of money and give him autonomy to pick his staff.

2. Offer Hutzler the opportunity to be the special teams coach or quit.

3. Go find players. Fortunately, we have a QB to build around

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This.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Lebby is an excellent play caller. If you go and hire an OC, that is less money for a DC and the rest of the staff. He does need to improve aspects of game management. A 15 year old who plays Madden could help him with that.

1. Find an experienced DC with a proven track record. Pay him a lot of money and give him autonomy to pick his staff.

2. Offer Hutzler the opportunity to be the special teams coach or quit.

3. Go find players. Fortunately, we have a QB to build around

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I'm not debating what we should do - I'm trying to put the pieces together of what we're doing. I think to course's point, there's a million threads on what we should do.

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

Why would Dykes be fired at TCU? He had them in the NC game a couple years ago and I believe won 8 games this year after a down year last year. That doesn?t make any sense unless he is over NIL and retiring?

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He has not been able to maintain the momentum and recapture the magic of that first year. He was 6-1 in one score games his first year. He is 7-8 since. They also are seeing what SMU is doing and do not want to fall further behind.

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Originally Posted by Tater

I'm not debating what we should do - I'm trying to put the pieces together of what we're doing. I think to course's point, there's a million threads on what we should do.

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I don?t think we are looking for an OC. I think that?s just a narrative that some people are pushing. We need 20 things more than an OC.

The first move Lebby needs to make is hiring a DC and upgrading the staff. Then all of the focus needs to be evaluating and recruiting the portal.

A lot of energy is wasted on this board by a small number of posters discussing Mullen, firing Lebby or hiring an OC. Discuss away, but these are non-issues.

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Originally Posted by Tater

Getting us back on topic.

Sounds like the demands were making of Lebby:
- Get an OC / split his duties up better
- Fire entire defensive staff
- Fire ST Coordinator
- One position coach position completely gone for OC.

Wish-casting:
Dykes out at TCU; we hire Kendall Briles to be OC
Aranda out at Baylor; get him as DC
Potentially Wilcox or Baker as DC are options

Only one person so far has said Lebby pushed back. Need double confirmation - everything else I've also heard as 'hopes' outside of this board - so that's double confirmation for me personally. Any other news to sum up?

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I’ve heard a little but nothing about OC, nothing about Lebby leaving, I’ve heard things about defensive staff and STC position. Also a good bit about NIL commitments. Nothing I’d hang my hat on yet.

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Originally Posted by Tater

Texsa people are crazy. SMU making back to back playoffs and three straight "mediocre" seasons for TCU. Ego's are big and Dykes definitely is annoyed by it. My guy was louder before the Houston win and said it was 80% he was gone. Puts it at 50/50 which I'm assuming SVS is hearing similar since he's usually getting similar info out of Texsa connects as me.

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Yea wow I don?t doubt there are talks if people are saying so, I just think that?s really wild. Aranda I get that one he has like if stalled out at Baylor for more years but I guess TCU does have money so they think they can attract some big name, this just does not seem like the year to do it

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I don?t think we are looking for an OC. I think that?s just a narrative that some people are pushing. We need 20 things more than an OC.

The first move Lebby needs to make is hiring a DC and upgrading the staff. Then all of the focus needs to be evaluating and recruiting the portal.

A lot of energy is wasted on this board by a small number of posters discussing Mullen, firing Lebby or hiring an OC. Discuss away, but these are non-issues.

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Yes I agree with this. I actually think our special teams are just as big of a problem as our defense. Hutz is a liability though and we need to find a good DC

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

Yea wow I don?t doubt there are talks if people are saying so, I just think that?s really wild. Aranda I get that one he has like if stalled out at Baylor for more years but I guess TCU does have money so they think they can attract some big name, this just does not seem like the year to do it

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Texsa schools will spend their way to the top any means necessary. 3 of the in-state schools have made this and last year's playoffs. Their direct rival might make two straight. (TCU-SMU is more of a rivalry than TCU-Baylor) It's just the nature of the beast.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I don?t think we are looking for an OC. I think that?s just a narrative that some people are pushing. We need 20 things more than an OC.

The first move Lebby needs to make is hiring a DC and upgrading the staff. Then all of the focus needs to be evaluating and recruiting the portal.

A lot of energy is wasted on this board by a small number of posters discussing Mullen, firing Lebby or hiring an OC. Discuss away, but these are non-issues.

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Lebby's offense is some decision making and a full year of KT experience away from being amazing. I should preface that I've heard these as "hopes" not confirmed "demands" - nothing confirmed to officially have been done as of yet.

Defense overhaul is definitely more important than offensive tweaking.

Apparently, a lot of NIL money is going to both lines of scrimmages. Offensive Line and Defensive Line

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Originally Posted by BigDawg81

Apparently, a lot of NIL money is going to both lines of scrimmages. Offensive Line and Defensive Line

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And lock up KT. Fill in the rest with the best you can

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

I don?t think we are looking for an OC. I think that?s just a narrative that some people are pushing. We need 20 things more than an OC.

The first move Lebby needs to make is hiring a DC and upgrading the staff. Then all of the focus needs to be evaluating and recruiting the portal.

A lot of energy is wasted on this board by a small number of posters discussing Mullen, firing Lebby or hiring an OC. Discuss away, but these are non-issues.

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Agree 100% even if I am guilty.

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Originally Posted by BigDawg81

Apparently, a lot of NIL money is going to both lines of scrimmages. Offensive Line and Defensive Line

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Which ones? DII OR NAIA?

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Originally Posted by Tater

Getting us back on topic.

Sounds like the demands were making of Lebby:
- Get an OC / split his duties up better
- Fire entire defensive staff
- Fire ST Coordinator
- One position coach position completely gone for OC.

Wish-casting:
Dykes out at TCU; we hire Kendall Briles to be OC
Aranda out at Baylor; get him as DC
Potentially Wilcox or Baker as DC are options

Only one person so far has said Lebby pushed back. Need double confirmation - everything else I've also heard as 'hopes' outside of this board - so that's double confirmation for me personally. Any other news to sum up?

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Lebby hasn?t pushed back. Demands weren?t made on OC either. He knows Dykes may leave and it?s a chance to upgrade his staff. The suggestions were on the defensive side of the ball.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

Lebby hasn?t pushed back. Demands weren?t made on OC either. He knows Dykes may leave and it?s a chance to upgrade his staff. The suggestions were on the defensive side of the ball.

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Demands is harsh word. I'll say strong suggestions on Defense / soft suggestion if the right fit happens on offense.

I do think there's only a few people who should be his OC and hiring an OC just to hire an OC is the wrong path imo.

For the most part, you guys are far more level headed than what I see at other places.

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Originally Posted by CaptainObvious

Which ones? DII OR NAIA?

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We are looking hard at a few guys from Pillow and Starkville Academy

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Originally Posted by KB21

For the most part, you guys are far more level headed than what I see at other places.

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Well yea - I'm sober today and travelling back home rather than on here drunk posting and getting in a fight and myself banned like I would have yesterday.

He definitely has pushed back and there has been some egg shell walking going on in that building since about the first of November. Dont let anyone lie to yall.

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Originally Posted by KB21

There wasn?t, and the analytics back that up.

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The analytics are wrong then

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

He definitely has pushed back and there has been some egg shell walking going on in that building since about the first of November. Dont let anyone lie to yall.

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I'm talking about strictly what I've been told has happened in the last 26 hours. Yea there was pushback before 41, 35, 49, 38 to close the season on defense.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

The analytics are wrong then

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No. Conventional theory is wrong there, just like analytics has proven so may conventional wisdom theories wrong.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

Lebby is an excellent play caller. If you go and hire an OC, that is less money for a DC and the rest of the staff. He does need to improve aspects of game management. A 15 year old who plays Madden could help him with that.

1. Find an experienced DC with a proven track record. Pay him a lot of money and give him autonomy to pick his staff.

2. Offer Hutzler the opportunity to be the special teams coach or quit.

3. Go find players. Fortunately, we have a QB to build around

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4. Learn to call a run and field goal kick to win a game. (We would be bowling again this year but are not due to one of the most asinine coaching calls I?ve ever witnessed at any level of football)

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Originally Posted by Tater

Well yea - I'm sober today and travelling back home rather than on here drunk posting and getting in a fight and myself banned like I would have yesterday.

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And others banned with you.......

I've learned to ignore the drunk posting Tater.

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Originally Posted by BuckyIsAB****

He definitely has pushed back and there has been some egg shell walking going on in that building since about the first of November. Dont let anyone lie to yall.

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I?ll take my sources over yours. Remember you were the one hyping up Arnett as ?one of us?

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

I?ll take my sources over yours. Remember you were the one hyping up Arnett as ?one of us?

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Oh this outta be good.....

If you can get Dan Mullen and you choose to keep Jeff Lebby I really may throw my state stuff away

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Originally Posted by DEDawg

I don't think Lebby is shopping himself every November before the egg bowl

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Shopping himself where??? Starkville Parks and Rec league??

So to get this back to the original 17 topic,

1. DC changes have been impressed upon Lebby and he is receptive to that. I do not have a name that I could share because it is nothing more than people guessing.

2. We are revamping the scouting dept. Bo McKinnis and Co. gave Selmon a check for that yesterday and hires are already being made on that front.

3. TCU winning today, and how they won, could save Sonny(although I doubt it). Even with him staying, Art is putting some pressure on Kendall to get back into the SEC. He was a hell of a lot closer to a HC job when he was at Arkansas than he is now. He is also VERY INTERESTED in working with Kamario. Art has called KJ Jefferson a poor man’s Kamario.

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Originally Posted by BankerDog

I?ll take my sources over yours. Remember you were the one hyping up Arnett as ?one of us?

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I guess so. It?s my fault he lied? Im not gonna measure my message board dick with you man

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Originally Posted by Cowbell

If he truly doesn't want to change things, I think you have to let him go

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Yep, if thats true then its a bad sign for him being in the Big chair. You have to make hard decisions to be a successful.HC in the SEC. If you are just going to remain loyal to your coaches with personal connections no matter the results then you are not HC material in this business which is very much results based. I dont get the Lebby love affair with Hutzler other than I guess they were really good friends before Lebby got our HC gig.

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Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve

So to get this back to the original 17 topic,

1. DC changes have been impressed upon Lebby and he is receptive to that. I do not have a name that I could share because it is nothing more than people guessing.

2. We are revamping the scouting dept. Bo McKinnis and Co. gave Selmon a check for that yesterday and hires are already being made on that front.

3. TCU winning today, and how they won, could save Sonny(although I doubt it). Even with him staying, Art is putting some pressure on Kendall to get back into the SEC. He was a hell of a lot closer to a HC job when he was at Arkansas than he is now. He is also VERY INTERESTED in working with Kamario. Art has called KJ Jefferson a poor man’s Kamario.

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Is Bo handling things like he did for the baseball situation as far as being the portal for $$$ to flow from others thru him to the Program?

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Yep, if thats true then its a bad sign for him being in the Big chair. You have to make hard decisions to be a successful.HC in the SEC. If you are just going to remain loyal to your coaches with personal connections no matter the results then you are not HC material in this business which is very much results based. I dont get the Lebby love affair with Hutzler other than I guess they were really good friends before Lebby got our HC gig.

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Leaders have to make hard decisions on the road to success. The good ones understand that and execute them.