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10-09-2023, 10:28 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by KB21

Net success rate from this Saturday. And some think this was a good win for us.

Who said it was a good win?

It was a win with more offensive growth and another terrible performance defensively. I havent seen anybody say "good win"
10-09-2023, 10:34 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by KB21

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8AFINVa...name=4096x4096

Net success rate from this Saturday. And some think this was a good win for us.

I see a lot of teams above the mean of their opponent last Sat who don't run Air Raid. I don't that tells the story you want it too.

Find the posts that called this a good win. Another one of your lies. I was at the game and complained a lot even in our game posts.
10-09-2023, 10:36 AM
BuckyIsAB****

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Originally Posted by Santiago

I heard that too.
In your opinion, who would have been a HC candidate off the offensive side? I was ok with Arnett if he made minimum changes only, and tried to slowly acclimate to being the HC. Now in hindsight I wonder who else would have been an option.

Nobody
10-09-2023, 10:42 AM
HancockCountyDog

The defense being so bad does gloss over the fact that WMU did force 3 punts and 4 field goals (one was negated due to a roughing call).

That is 7 drives that our offense couldn't punch it in against WMU on 7 seven drives. For context, Iowa, one of the worst offenses in the P5 punted or kicked FG's on 6 drives. So before we think that the offense is "fixed" I do think we need to measure our success.

I do hope we get healthy because the Arkansas game is extremely winnable.
10-09-2023, 10:45 AM
KB21

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

The defense being so bad does gloss over the fact that WMU did force 3 punts and 4 field goals (one was negated due to a roughing call).

That is 7 drives that our offense couldn't punch it in against WMU on 7 seven drives. For context, Iowa, one of the worst offenses in the P5 punted or kicked FG's on 6 drives. So before we think that the offense is "fixed" I do think we need to measure our success.

I do hope we get healthy because the Arkansas game is extremely winnable.

And most of those drives stopped because of bad play calling.
10-09-2023, 10:59 AM
DownwardDawg

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

The defense being so bad does gloss over the fact that WMU did force 3 punts and 4 field goals (one was negated due to a roughing call).

That is 7 drives that our offense couldn't punch it in against WMU on 7 seven drives. For context, Iowa, one of the worst offenses in the P5 punted or kicked FG's on 6 drives. So before we think that the offense is "fixed" I do think we need to measure our success.

I do hope we get healthy because the Arkansas game is extremely winnable.

We ain't beating Arkansas. Especially if Will is hurt. Unless.........their coaching staff is so terrible that a Mike Wright executed offense just takes them by surprise.
10-09-2023, 11:02 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

The defense being so bad does gloss over the fact that WMU did force 3 punts and 4 field goals (one was negated due to a roughing call).

That is 7 drives that our offense couldn't punch it in against WMU on 7 seven drives. For context, Iowa, one of the worst offenses in the P5 punted or kicked FG's on 6 drives. So before we think that the offense is "fixed" I do think we need to measure our success. .

State 440 yards of TO and 41 points 0 Picks thrown/68% completion percentage/7.7 per pass/5.9 per rush
Iowa- 387 yards of TO and 41 points 2 Interceptions thrown- 50% completion percentage/6.0 per pass/5.9 per rush

Iowa punted 4 times, 1/2 on FG's, and threw 2 picks. Thats 8 times they were stopped isnt it????
10-09-2023, 11:03 AM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by DownwardDawg

We ain't beating Arkansas. Especially if Will is hurt. Unless.........their coaching staff is so terrible that a Mike Wright executed offense just takes them by surprise.

There's alot we can do with Wright at QB- and we have 2 weeks to do it. Not just one. He will be getting 1st team reps for 2 weeks to build timing as well.
10-09-2023, 11:05 AM
KB21

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F79XHwOW...pg&name=medium
10-09-2023, 11:08 AM
RezDog7

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Originally Posted by KB21

And most of those drives stopped because of bad play calling.

Like the two dropped touchdown passes?
10-09-2023, 11:10 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by RezDog7

Like the two dropped touchdown passes?

That were good play calls
10-09-2023, 11:10 AM
RezDog7

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Originally Posted by KB21

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F79XHwOW...pg&name=medium

We don't need some graph to tell us what we all see. This team is trash.
10-09-2023, 11:47 AM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Then don't make statements like "Our HC saw a bigger urgency to go get 2 Portal TE's, instead of fix his defense." Without backing it up. If Leach added TE's, which was coming by your admission as well, then you wouldn't be here saying that. That's pushing a narrative. And honestly at this point, I have doubts in Zach getting this righted. But I'm not going to make stuff up either.

You are literally asking me to back up something but then you continue with "IF"
How about this as backup information: The signing class was basically all done, so there was no "IF" signing a TE for this season.
The DC got hired to HC, and then suddenly saw his biggest needs on this years team as not having TE's. To the point of burning a true freshman OL for it.
Our defense sucks, and he coached it for now 4 seasons....so yeah it is pretty accurate to say he focused on getting TEs and changing things instead of focusing on his defensive needs.

They literally thought their biggest issue was the offense, and here we are... So I am pissed. The pride and egos of RTDF crap, or "Blue Collar MSU" got in the way of just seeing the roadmap to win this year, no matter what.
Now we get cheerleading posts to pathways to winning 6 games.
10-09-2023, 11:52 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Santiago

You are literally asking me to back up something but then you continue with "IF"
How about this as backup information: The signing class was basically all done, so there was no "IF" signing a TE for this season.
The DC got hired to HC, and then suddenly saw his biggest needs on this years team as not having TE's. To the point of burning a true freshman OL for it.
Our defense sucks, and he coached it for now 4 seasons....so yeah it is pretty accurate to say he focused on getting TEs and changing things instead of focusing on his defensive needs.

Portal. You said portal. Don't go to signing class now when you were discussing portal.
10-09-2023, 11:56 AM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Portal. You said portal. Don't go to signing class now when you were discussing portal.

Leach was not getting a TE in the portal. You asked for facts, I gave them. You are working off of "IF"
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10-09-2023, 12:01 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Leach was not getting a TE in the portal. You asked for facts, I gave them. You are working off of "IF"
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Yeah I asked for facts, which you still haven't provided. So all they back to the original question, how many players did we get on the defensive side from the portal, since you are trying to create a narrative that he completely neglected that side of the ball for 2 TE's. I assume we didn't get any? 1-2?
10-09-2023, 12:06 PM
HancockCountyDog

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Originally Posted by Coach34

State 440 yards of TO and 41 points 0 Picks thrown/68% completion percentage/7.7 per pass/5.9 per rush
Iowa- 387 yards of TO and 41 points 2 Interceptions thrown- 50% completion percentage/6.0 per pass/5.9 per rush

Iowa punted 4 times, 1/2 on FG's, and threw 2 picks. Thats 8 times they were stopped isnt it????

I guess you are right, so we got stopped 7 times, and they got stopped 8. They scored 41 points on WMU despite throwing two interceptions, so I'm not sure if that helps or hurts your argument. Actually, I think I do know.

You do understand that I'm talking about Iowa. Right? So the fact that it is this close, is somewhat disturbing.
10-09-2023, 12:08 PM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by Santiago

Leach was not getting a TE in the portal. You asked for facts, I gave them. You are working off of "IF"
.

Ok, we don't know, I said he was going to add HB / TE's and you agreed with that earlier but now you want to change off of that. Fine. Again, the original premises of which you still have not answered was how many defensive transfers did we get? None, 1, 2?? You said he neglected the defense to get 2 TE transfers, so how many did we get?
10-09-2023, 12:12 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

I guess you are right, so we got stopped 7 times, and they got stopped 8. They scored 41 points on WMU despite throwing two interceptions, so I'm not sure if that helps or hurts your argument. Actually, I think I do know.

You do understand that I'm talking about Iowa. Right? So the fact that it is this close, is somewhat disturbing.

Well, I think you’re missing the fact that Iowa played its starting QB almost the entire game whereas we played Wright quite a bit and experimented some offensively.

I’d also like to point out A&M and Petrino scored 20 on Bammer and everybody thinks A&M’s O is pretty good.
10-09-2023, 12:18 PM
Santiago

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Ok, we don't know, I said he was going to add HB / TE's and you agreed with that earlier but now you want to change off of that. Fine. Again, the original premises of which you still have not answered was how many defensive transfers did we get? None, 1, 2?? You said he neglected the defense to get 2 TE transfers, so how many did we get?

My understanding is the RB's recruiting would change for some bigger backs as well, but not a TE in the portal for this offseason. At least that is what I was told by a few.
If CZA did not neglect the defense this off season, then he is some other term for not seeing it coming.

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