So Ole Miss just added a transfer

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I highly doubt Cohen's ass will be on the hot seat unless Jans, the women's basketball coach, and Leach all don't work out.

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& that’s the problem with MSU Athletics. We have to bottom out in everything before we see a problem.

I may be wrong but I truly think Jans is an A+ hire and will end up saving Cohen. I think this is a home run and everyone who reads my posts know that I am the furthest thing from a sunshine pumper. I wanted Jans awhile ago we just didn?t have good enough cause to fire Howland before. I am 50/50 on Leach and always have been. He hasn?t done anything terrible to convince me he won?t work but he hasn?t don?t anything to convince me he will. I suspect this season will tell that tale

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Mississippi State University won 10 games in 2014, 9 games in 2015, 6 in 2016, & 9 in 2017.

Manipulate the #’s anyway you want the record book has 3 9 win seasons in Mullen last 4 years. Anything is just talk. Mullen last 4 seasons MSU won 34 games. That’s not speculation that’s just conjecture that’s truth.

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C34 used to make the argument that bowls don't count when he was being anti-Mullen. Posters have adopted that stance as a way to minimize what Mullen did.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

& that’s the problem with MSU Athletics. We have to bottom out in everything before we see a problem.

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I think it has been a problem, but I don't know that it is now. Firing Moorhead after 2 season (both seasons making Bowls and wins over OM) went against the typical MSU way - and shocked a lot of outsiders. Honestly, it can be argued that letting Howland go this season does too - in the old days we would have kept him until we had multiple seasons with losing records. Don't mistake that for when we should have fired either of them - but it would have been suicide to fire Moorhead after 1 season unless there was a scandal. In hindsight, I think he could have been fired for the cheating, but that would have probably been a stretch.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

Because T Tech shut us down

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Leach teams typically perform poorly in game 1 and in bowl games, right? Kind of like triple option teams (with the exception of whenever we play them in bowl games). I don't know how much the TT game means. Now, that makes the Memphis game pretty scary, and that's one we have to have. It also doesn't explain the Ole Miss debacle last year. We should have been playing our best at that point, and we stunk it up for 90% of that game.

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Originally Posted by PMDawg

Leach teams typically perform poorly in game 1 and in bowl games, right? Kind of like triple option teams (with the exception of whenever we play them in bowl games). I don't know how much the TT game means. Now, that makes the Memphis game pretty scary, and that's one we have to have. It also doesn't explain the Ole Miss debacle last year. We should have been playing our best at that point, and we stunk it up for 90% of that game.

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We better come out fired up ready to play. I ain't sunshine pumping next season.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

C34 used to make the argument that bowls don't count when he was being anti-Mullen. Posters have adopted that stance as a way to minimize what Mullen did.

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And what is funny about that is that C34 has also used bowl games when it helps his argument.

I've never believed bowl games are an accurate barometer, especially since about 2015 when the players started quitting before the bowl games.

Making a bowl game is important for a myriad of reasons (publicity, practice, means a good year, etc), but the game itself is nothing more than an exhibition unless it is a playoff game.

Bowl games are a terrible measuring stick unless it?s a playoff or NY6. The other ones are just pointless. I like watching football so I don?t complain about there being too many like others do, but I don?t get to worked up about whether we win or lose them. The orange bowl was different that annoyed me how unprepared we were because that?s a big game on a big stage.

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And what is funny about that is that C34 has also used bowl games when it helps his argument.

I've never believed bowl games are an accurate barometer, especially since about 2015 when the players started quitting before the bowl games.

Making a bowl game is important for a myriad of reasons (publicity, practice, means a good year, etc), but the game itself is nothing more than an exhibition unless it is a playoff game.

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Another factor is the approach that coaches take to bowl games. We all know Jackie looked at bowls as a fun trip, and the team did too - and we lost a lot of bowls we probably should have won because of it. Leach seems to take the same approach.

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

Bowl games are a terrible measuring stick unless it?s a playoff or NY6. The other ones are just pointless. I like watching football so I don?t complain about there being too many like others do, but I don?t get to worked up about whether we win or lose them. The orange bowl was different that annoyed me how unprepared we were because that?s a big game on a big stage.

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Originally Posted by PGHBulldogBG

Bowl games are a terrible measuring stick unless it?s a playoff or NY6. The other ones are just pointless. I like watching football so I don?t complain about there being too many like others do, but I don?t get to worked up about whether we win or lose them. The orange bowl was different that annoyed me how unprepared we were because that?s a big game on a big stage.

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Yeah and Leach is .500 in bowl games so not poor as some have said. Not great but not poor, just average.