Then your daughter isn’t going to dieQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
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Then your daughter isn’t going to dieQuote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Good for you. I don’t give a shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Simply put, mine is not an opinion. It is medical fact, or as close to medical fact as I or anyone else can get.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I will rely on experts in the field. I will rely on the statistics being provided (being updated as new information is presented). Anything else is people trying to justify their INCORRECT and Dangerous opinions that are selfish and small minded. If I am incorrect, nothing happens to you. IF those spewing bullshit are incorrect, people die.
A simple test. If someone is against a vaccine and they jump from one bullshit small anecdotal reason to another..... they made up their mind way way way before seeing actual evidence and they are searching for justification that supports their incorrect initial assessment.
That's fine that all of that is your opinion. I happen to agree with you on that. But where you lose me, and most others on this board, is when you call everyone else a dumbass for having a different opinion. Whether you feel it's right or wrong doesn't matter. It's THEIR OPINION. Just like your opinion is that anyone who disagrees with you is a dumbass and my opinion that you probably need to stay holed up inside til this pandemic passes and off ED for a couple of years is mine. Doesn't make it right or wrong, just a personal opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
NO, once again, read the dang link and try to understand statistics. Every expert that has commented on this situation has directly discussed the dangers of if this would have been unvaccinated people since the area this happened was 73% vaccinated. It would have been much worse. Vaccines work. The are not a 100% fail safe, but they are damn damn damn close to it. Why risk it? Why risk your neighbors health?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
The point of that link was to prove that with the Delta variant out there, it is prudent to wear a mask indoors when you are out and about. The vaccine does not 100% protect you from contracting the virus. No ever said it was, except for the guy I was responding to. All over the country, people are getting hospitalized over Delta, and there has always been a 90-95 effectiveness on the vaccine. That is all I am saying.
You have a point, but at some point, its exhausting. And if people get their panties in a wad about how I talk down to them about vaccines, well read a book fellas, cause there will be more where that came from. Vaccines have worked for damn 80 years, they will continue to work, they are currently working, and if there is an issue with variants, it is still the best shot we have and it is your Duty to get one. I will leave it at that. DUTY.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
The chances of dying with delta or any other variant is almost zero if you are below the age required to get a vaccine or vaccinated. How about you open your eyes to those statistics. Stop telling people that it is their duty to wear a GD mask when there is a vaccine available that virtually makes it a miracle in a bad way if you die from COVID. This is never going away. Ever. Learn to live with it or don’t. Just stop telling people what to do.
**Delete**Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Nope. Not getting into it... He knows what he is.
How do you know? She could be taking cancer treatments right now. She could have an autoimmune disease issue and we are doing everything we can to keep her isolated. You go out into public, give it to me, and then I give it to her. You sleep good cause you have no idea that you passed it on. Just so you know, my daughter is fantastic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Whereas you could wear a mask, get the vaccine, wash your hands, socially distance, and then sleep good because you knew you did everything you could do to limit your contribution to what is a terrible situation. And if the experts asks you to do something different based on new information tomorrow, you do that because it is your duty in society.
Exactly. Finally. Exactly how I feel about it. Chances are, you would never even know you caused it. Chances are you would pass it on to a random person, at the store, or in Davis Wade. You go and live your life, and two weeks someone random died.Quote:
Originally Posted by Quaoarsking
Can we all not just agree to do our best?
Yes I am an asshole. Someone has to be to stand up to people who are unreasonable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
Holy shit. You want everyone in the world to wear a damn mask for the rest of their life on the chance that They may spread a disease with a 99 % survivabilty rate to .00001 % of the population who has a less than 99 % survivabilty rate. Do you hear yourself? Do you know how ignorant that thought process is to anyone with a functioning brain? Grow up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Well at least your last statement is an actual opinion. Me thinking people who double down or triple down on their incorrect vaccine opinion in the face the best established medical facts we have is an idiot, is more than just an opinion. They are almost the definition of a dumbass.Quote:
Originally Posted by StarkVegasSteve
I wish there was an asshole variant...Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
Yes, sure why not. Wear a mask until the outbreak not the pandemic is over or everyone is vaccinated. Just when you are in public and indoors. If our contact tracing system was better, you wouldn't have to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
When the outbreak is over, don't wear one. Go lick door knobs for all I care. If the virus isn't around in outbreak numbers there isn't an issue.
We all agree to wear a seat belt when driving. The odds of you hitting something and dying is astronomical, but it is still required.
Oh there is, its called a politician. Boom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
That’s what you don’t understand apparently. This is never going to end. Eventually it will get less political and people will just accept this as a part of life but it is never going away. The numbers are never going to get better. People are not going to get forcibly vaccinated and will pay for their ignorance when they choose to defy common sense. Learn to live with it or stay in the basement. Whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead
Well I am vaccinated and good to go with protection from it. I am glad there is not a lockdown and mask wearing even though we have a vaccine variant. You pussies would be the first to die. Then again you are vaccinated too I assume so you would probably be good to go for your variant as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turfdawg67
The numbers will get better. Hell they already were getting better or manageable a couple months ago. People will get the vaccine. New boosters will be developed. Hell, maybe totally new types of vaccines will be developed beyond the booster. We will change our approach as the science dictates, and it will become a part of our lives just like the common cold or the flu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jarius
None of that has any bearing on what people need to do today, in this current outbreak. The road to better numbers is going to be long, and probably more difficult than it has to be as long as people refuse to do what is being asked. And yes, that may change next month, 6 months after that, and maybe 2 years in the future again.
You have one thing right, and it has been clear as crystal from the beginning, it is never going to end.
Just depends on how painful we want to make it on ourselves and others along the way.