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07-09-2021, 12:45 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Dawgfan77

This thread was ok til Liverpool came up with his made up stories and theory's. He is still in his basement getting excited about this new thread and then variants Dude is a propaganda machine and gets off on these Covid threads. Notice how he has been absent til now. Called him out on 247 and he disappeared .

Did y'all hear we won a Natty???

Hey never let winning a national championship(our first by the way), get in the way of a good covid thread.
07-09-2021, 12:47 PM
DawgNsuds

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Numbers don't lie. If you are vaccinated and you get it you are a heck of a lot less likely to die than if you aren't vaccinated. It also ain't all about dying. I know several people who will never be the same after getting it.

and every study I've seen shows that those that have had COVID have equal or better immunity than those vaccinated. The asterisk that I've seen is that they don't know for how long (as with the vaccine) . I'm over 50, which in some respects puts me in a high risk group by numbers, but have VO2 Max of 53, which puts me in fitness age of a fit 20 year-old. My COVID was loss of taste and smell and a slight fever. all of this to say, that there are individual circumstances that effect peoples decision.
07-09-2021, 12:50 PM
RC3

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Can we do this for birth control too?

i suspect most people with private health insurance aren't having too many babies they can't afford to have; but you bring up an interesting point. My proposal would do nothing to encourage poor uneducated white people living off of the gov't teet to get their vaccines
07-09-2021, 12:56 PM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

Everyone has the right to choose what they want to do. But with that said it will be increasingly harder to show sympathy for the ones getting very sick and dying that are unvaccinated. I'm comfortable with people taking their own risk, but it will suck if it allows further outbreaks and chances for mutations to new variants that the vaccine does not work against. Then if events start getting cancelled or businesses start changing policies (not to mention more people dying) again there will be a whole lotta bitching.

Harder to show sympathy for unvaccinated lol? What demographic has the lowest vaccination rate? Do you know why? I show a little sympathy for these people who are hesitant.

I guess we should stop showing sympathy and concern for victims of drive by shootings or gang related violence . I mean if they wouldn't put themselves in that environment then they wouldn't get shot, right?
07-09-2021, 12:58 PM
Interpolation_Dawg_EX

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Originally Posted by RC3

i suspect most people with private health insurance aren't having too many babies they can't afford to have; but you bring up an interesting point. My proposal would do nothing to encourage poor uneducated white people living off of the gov't teet to get their vaccines

Why do you have to mention race? If you've ever worked in the delta, poor doesn't have a color. There's trash in all races.
07-09-2021, 01:06 PM
Dawgology

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Harder to show sympathy for unvaccinated lol? What demographic has the lowest vaccination rate? Do you know why? I show a little sympathy for these people who are hesitant.

I guess we should stop showing sympathy and concern for victims of drive by shootings or gang related violence . I mean if they wouldn't put themselves in that environment then they wouldn't get shot, right?

The vaccination is free and they will actually come to your house and give it to you if you can?t drive. There is no excuse. Being a minority or ?poor? is just an excuse at this point to remain a victim.
07-09-2021, 01:10 PM
chef dixon

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Harder to show sympathy for unvaccinated lol? What demographic has the lowest vaccination rate? Do you know why? I show a little sympathy for these people who are hesitant.

I guess we should stop showing sympathy and concern for victims of drive by shootings or gang related violence . I mean if they wouldn't put themselves in that environment then they wouldn't get shot, right?

Exact same thing
07-09-2021, 01:17 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by chef dixon

Medical journals, CDC, etc weren't that controversial before 2020. There's plenty of good info out there that medical professionals trust. Most people are just emotionally biased based on who they hear it from

Not sure about medical journals, but there have been a lot of academic and scientific journals that used to be respectable that no longer are (or maybe more accurately, are willing to ignore traditional standards when it comes to the right pet issues). And while I'd like to think the medical profession as a whole is full of competent doctors with integrity, there are enough out there that aren't that get wide circulation in news stories (e.g. https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/healt...nd/index.html; https://time.com/5848212/doctors-supporting-protests/) and people outside of the profession don't have a feel for how much of an outlier they are. And then they have zero idea which organizations or medical journals are credible to begin with (see all of these: https://www.meditec.com/resourcestoo...ociations-list), so when they see a story like this: https://www.statnews.com/2021/06/01/...m-in-medicine/, they at best don't know if that was a formerly respectable organization and at worst just assume the profession has gone woke.
07-09-2021, 01:21 PM
Johnson85

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Originally Posted by Dolphus Raymond

Oh, I understand how and why it became political. When Populism rears it?s ugly head, situations like this become inevitable. Fifty years from now, this dynamic will be the topic of several dissertations.
See ?The Dipping Vat War?.

It wasn't populists that decided to trash what little remained of our norms and institutions with credibility. It was the gentry class that did that did enough damage to them to give populists an opening, and the gentry class that then decided to take a flamethrower to them after populists got a little bit of control.
07-09-2021, 01:28 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

I got Covid before I got the vaccine. Both sucked. What made up my mind was knowing that getting the vaccine would keep me from getting as sick with Covid if I got it again and the knowledge that it would help me NOT pass Covid on to someone it might greatly harm. At the end of the day we that are Christians are called to care for and love our fellow humans. I could not in good conscience and following the teachings of Christ willfully decide to avoid a vaccine that would help me keep others safe. It was that simple for me.

So you're saying vaccinated persons cannot transmit the virus? Meaning half of all persons in America and 2/3 of adults cannot transmit the virus?
07-09-2021, 01:33 PM
RC3

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Originally Posted by Interpolation_Dawg_EX

Why do you have to mention race? If you've ever worked in the delta, poor doesn't have a color. There's trash in all races.

well because by and large, the MS Delta counties have a higher vaccination rate, than the rural, mainly white counties in this state
07-09-2021, 01:35 PM
confucius say

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

No, I think forcing it would be counterproductive, but we should align incentives, like paying people to take it, and requiring vaccination at mass events, or reaching out personally to unvaccinated people and offer to bring the shots by their house free of charge.

And obviously 45 needs to cut an ad encouraging people to get it. Most of the "vaccine hesitant" people love him and would go get it if he told them to. "I alone created this vaccine just for you, and it's time we make America great again by making America well again!"

Wait, you think most of the persons not getting the vaccine in MS, AL, AR, and LA (four of the five states with the lowest vaccine rates) are Trump supporters? Do you know what demographic is getting the vaccine the least (not that I blame them).
07-09-2021, 01:41 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by confucius say

Wait, you think persons not getting the vaccine in MS, AL, AR, and LA (four of the five states with the lowest vaccine rates) are Trump supporters? Do you know what demographic is getting the vaccine the least (not that I blame them).

You're implying that it's black people, but surveys and actual vaccination data show that rural whites have the lowest vaccination rate.
07-09-2021, 01:42 PM
Percho

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Originally Posted by brokennotfractured

3 billion people have been given the vaccine with virtually no problems at all yet you choose to not get vaccinated because of possible side effects? While knowing that millions of people have died and millions of more lives ruined from the side effects of covid. I can not wrap my head around this. I'm not a democrat. I'm an ER physician that has seen the horrors of covid. I honestly don't care if you get vaccinated or not but don't bury your head in the sand and think this is a "never let a crisis go to waste" type event. Complete ignorance.

Could I ask an ER physician a few questions. Maybe you can clear up a few things.

How big of an ER?
Are vaccinated peopled coming into the ER with Covid?
If so, do you know if any have died?
How many have come into your ER after being vaccinated ill that may or may not be attributed to the vaccine?
Have you attributed any to the vaccine?

These are questions not being allowed and or asked to my knowledge. Why? HIPPA? Not asking for association to any names.
07-09-2021, 01:43 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by RC3

well because by and large, the MS Delta counties have a higher vaccination rate, than the rural, mainly white counties in this state

Correct.

https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static...rces/12130.pdf
07-09-2021, 01:47 PM
Quaoarsking

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Originally Posted by Percho

Could I ask an ER physician a few questions. Maybe you can clear up a few things.

How big of an ER?
Are vaccinated peopled coming into the ER with Covid?
If so, do you know if any have died?
How many have come into your ER after being vaccinated ill that may or may not be attributed to the vaccine?
Have you attributed any to the vaccine?

These are questions not being allowed and or asked to my knowledge. Why? HIPPA? Not asking for association to any names.

What? All of those questions are "allowed" and discussed extensively. I honestly have no idea where some of you get this stuff..
07-09-2021, 01:56 PM
Percho

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Originally Posted by RC3

Let me be clear that I am not advocating for this but the simplest way to encourage the public to get vaxxed, if that was the goal, would be for the insurance companies to be allowed to refuse coverage for covid related expenses for anyone that chose not to get a vaccination without a valid health exemption.

Just dig a hole and bury the Constitution?
07-09-2021, 02:00 PM
RC3

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Originally Posted by Percho

Just dig a hole and bury the Constitution?

so are you saying that people of this country have a constitutional right to healthcare and/or health insurance? Just making sure because I do agree with that
07-09-2021, 02:03 PM
Percho

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

I got Covid before I got the vaccine. Both sucked. What made up my mind was knowing that getting the vaccine would keep me from getting as sick with Covid if I got it again and the knowledge that it would help me NOT pass Covid on to someone it might greatly harm. At the end of the day we that are Christians are called to care for and love our fellow humans. I could not in good conscience and following the teachings of Christ willfully decide to avoid a vaccine that would help me keep others safe. It was that simple for me.

Chapter and verse, please?
07-09-2021, 02:04 PM
BeardoMSU

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Originally Posted by Quaoarsking

I honestly have no idea where some of you get this stuff..

A rabbit-hole of dumbassery...

https://mobile.twitter.com/MattGertz...21265284562951

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