Let's not screw this up, we have to hire Billy Napier, regardless of the EB result...

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11-21-2019, 10:08 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by BhamDawg205

Well Alabama does sell itself, but those black Charger swag bags don't hurt either

Saban improved Alabama's recruiting with his system of recruiting. Georgia copied it under Smart and they immediately improved in recruiting. Even more impressive and relevant- ULL copied the same Alabama model and now has the best class in the Sun Belt and is on a path to winning 10 games.

If we want to maximize our recruiting- Napier IMO is probably the best way to do it. And of course I'm talking about legally. Hud of course would do well with recruiting also. But Napier's system may be more sustainable. And Norvell I think would recruit well also- but I just think that Napier is probably the best way to go.
11-21-2019, 10:10 PM
HailStateSZN19

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Hud ain’t on our list.

Who exactly is on our list aside from Napier? Is our admin willing to go after Norvell with all his “rumored baggage”? Napier is obviously the main one being thrown around but you had said either in this thread or another that Napier was just a smoke screen (if I remember correctly). So who exactly is on our list at this point?
11-21-2019, 10:16 PM
Cooterpoot

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

Who exactly is on our list aside from Napier? Is our admin willing to go after Norvell with all his “rumored baggage”? Napier is obviously the main one being thrown around but you had said either in this thread or another that Napier was just a smoke screen (if I remember correctly). So who exactly is on our list at this point?

Can’t answer that, but Hud isn’t. At least not the primary list. We’d have to go through a bunch of folks to get to Hud. Norvell isn’t either. Got to wait and see who is available. I was told Napier isn’t the top guy but I’m questioning that if Norvell isn’t an option.
11-21-2019, 10:16 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Disagree. If 7 wins a year is your goal, then great. But to advance, our offense must advance as well. Football has become more of a passing game. That?s not changing anytime soon. And if OM can recruit good WRs, there?s no excuse for us. Hell, most HS teams in MS now run the spread. Look at all the MS kids we missed on at WR.

I agree with this. MSU fans are so incredibly black and white. "Well this coach did this and we didn't like him so we should never ever try to do that again." It could be bunting, zone defense, passing, running, whatever.

Then people are mad when we can't compete with Alabama because we have no prayer because we can't throw the ball. Like two years ago. Now it's HAND THE DAMN BALL OFF EVERY TIME! Even though we're like third in the SEC in rushing and have I think over 100 more rushing attempts than pass attempts.

The best offense we had was 2014 when we were actually able to run and pass effectively. And we CAN replicate that. But we can't do it by being lazy in recruiting like Dan and we can't have a coach that doesn't prepare the team well like Joe. Those are MUCH more pressing issues than our offensive balance. Which has been a hell of a lot better than the defense or special teams this year if we're actually being honest and looking at the stats.
11-21-2019, 10:21 PM
HailStateSZN19

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Can’t answer that, but Hud isn’t. At least not the primary list. We’d have to go through a bunch of folks to get to Hud. Norvell isn’t either. Got to wait and see who is available. I was told Napier isn’t the top guy but I’m questioning that if Norvell isn’t an option.

Gotcha. Thanks for the response Cooter.
11-21-2019, 10:21 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

Who exactly is on our list aside from Napier? Is our admin willing to go after Norvell with all his “rumored baggage”? Napier is obviously the main one being thrown around but you had said either in this thread or another that Napier was just a smoke screen (if I remember correctly). So who exactly is on our list at this point?

See, that's why I think we're getting Napier. Cohen isn't going to want to take a chance on having another Cann situation with out biggest money making sport. Unless the cigar boys are willing to give him a pass since they're the ones picking the coach this time- which is plausible. I have a feeling that Hud is essentially like Orgeron was to LSU's last search where they missed on Tom Herman and they needed someone to take the job instead of dragging things out. He's probably our parachute this time around. We know he'll take the job if something happens like Dan to Tennessee a couple of years ago.
11-21-2019, 10:23 PM
Noxdog

THIS

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Hud ain?t on our list.

THIS
11-21-2019, 10:25 PM
Cooterpoot

I think more names will come out if we lose the egg. I?m not convinced we?ll be looking for a coach if we win the egg.
Unless Joe got another job.
11-21-2019, 10:33 PM
HailStateSZN19

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

I think more names will come out if we lose the egg. I?m not convinced we?ll be looking for a coach if we win the egg.
Unless Joe got another job.

With no inside info, I’d expect us to keep him if we get to 6 wins and go bowling & that’s just my opinion. Unless he leaves on his own which I still just don’t see happening. Although, the Schiano-Rutgers deal seems to have hit a bump in the road and some people may not want Schiano hired at Rutgers. But still probably ends up being him so other than that job, where would Joe even leave for? It’ll be interesting to see what new names emerge as possibilities closer to the EB, especially during if we’re getting beat and after the game if we go on to lose.
11-21-2019, 10:54 PM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by tcdog70

he won at ULL-NorthAL and now APeay. That is 3 schools that sucked till he came along. Plus when He was on our staff-he was very good. name me 3 Schools that sucked that Napier and Norvell has turned around.

I wouldn't put UNA in the same "suck" category as ULL and AP. They are one of the better DII programs over the past 40 or so years. They made a bad hire between Wallace and Hud that went 20-21 over 4 seasons, but outside of that they've won about 70% of their games since the early 1970s and have multiple Nattys. They even gave us Bobby Wallace - the 1990s version of Hud.
11-21-2019, 11:25 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

With no inside info, I’d expect us to keep him if we get to 6 wins and go bowling & that’s just my opinion. Unless he leaves on his own which I still just don’t see happening. Although, the Schiano-Rutgers deal seems to have hit a bump in the road and some people may not want Schiano hired at Rutgers. But still probably ends up being him so other than that job, where would Joe even leave for? It’ll be interesting to see what new names emerge as possibilities closer to the EB, especially during if we’re getting beat and after the game if we go on to lose.

Don't discount the possibility of him becoming an OC again. Penn State would probably take him right now. And if James Franklin goes somewhere else I would say there is a good chance Joe could be the OC wherever that is.
11-22-2019, 12:12 AM
Irondawg

What if Texas gets antsy and fires Tom Herman? Unlikely but they've done stranger things.

Rutgers is still a possibility for Joe but there's a chance that another midwest/NE team opens up and we can part somewhat amicably.

I'm not sure I'm in love with Napier but it's true that he couldn't be worse that the results we've got thusfar.
11-22-2019, 12:18 AM
HailStateSZN19

What about this name and haven’t seen it posted yet: Justin Fuente? Rumor has it he’s not too happy over at VT and may be looking to get out even though they’re 7-3 this year. Don’t know if that’s factual but there is a rumor on that. Built Memphis into what it is today and handed it over to Norvell to carry on. He’s won at Memphis and aside from 6-7 last year at VT, he’d won 9 in 2017 and 10 in 2016.
11-22-2019, 06:50 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

What about this name and haven’t seen it posted yet: Justin Fuente? Rumor has it he’s not too happy over at VT and may be looking to get out even though they’re 7-3 this year. Don’t know if that’s factual but there is a rumor on that. Built Memphis into what it is today and handed it over to Norvell to carry on. He’s won at Memphis and aside from 6-7 last year at VT, he’d won 9 in 2017 and 10 in 2016.

He's been pretty bad at VT. They're like watching paint dry.

He'll have to go to Saban's quality control school before getting another chance.
11-22-2019, 08:21 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

He's been pretty bad at VT. They're like watching paint dry.

He'll have to go to Saban's quality control school before getting another chance.

Bad? Winning 64% of his games at VT is bad? 10, 9, 6 wins the last 3 years and 7-3 right now with Pitt and Virginia left to play. Could end up with 9 wins again this year. His last 2 years at Memphis was 10 & 9 wins. If for some reason VT was to let him go, he would have multiple offers as HC
11-22-2019, 08:28 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

Bad? Winning 64% of his games at VT is bad? 10, 9, 6 wins the last 3 years and 7-3 right now with Pitt and Virginia left to play. Could end up with 9 wins again this year. His last 2 years at Memphis was 10 & 9 wins. If for some reason VT was to let him go, he would have multiple offers as HC

I mean, you may be right but I've watched them a good bit and they're more stale than a 5 day old hot dog left out.

With any ACC coach right now, it's important to look at their schedule to see who they have beaten. That's the worst power 5 conference known to man right now.

The Orange Bowl has a big problem this year because there may not be a 2nd ACC team in the CFP top 25 for them to take for their bowl game and no one knows there selection rules if there is no ACC team to take.
11-22-2019, 08:46 AM
timotheus

If VT is a 5 day old stale hot dog with 7 current wins, I can only imagine what MSU is with JoMo guru. Please tell us.
11-22-2019, 08:51 AM
Really Clark?

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I mean, you may be right but I've watched them a good bit and they're more stale than a 5 day old hot dog left out.

With any ACC coach right now, it's important to look at their schedule to see who they have beaten. That's the worst power 5 conference known to man right now.

The Orange Bowl has a big problem this year because there may not be a 2nd ACC team in the CFP top 25 for them to take for their bowl game and no one knows there selection rules if there is no ACC team to take.

I hear ya but it’s not like he is way off of Beamer’s win percentage at VT. .640 Fuente .662 Beamer. And he has a shot at 9-10 wins this season. I agree their schedule is weak and 2 FCS teams on schedule this year is bad. But all he can do is beat the teams in schedule.

I’m not saying Fuente is great or they playing at an incredibly high level, but bad is severely down playing his career at VT. That’s not a fair statement. And he was considered one of the hottest names in coaching coming out of Memphis...does that give people pause on Norvall?
11-22-2019, 09:13 AM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by timotheus

If VT is a 5 day old stale hot dog with 7 current wins, I can only imagine what MSU is with JoMo guru. Please tell us.

I've made my thoughts on Moorhead known.
11-22-2019, 09:42 AM
RiverCityDawg

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Originally Posted by Really Clark?

I hear ya but it’s not like he is way off of Beamer’s win percentage at VT. .640 Fuente .662 Beamer. And he has a shot at 9-10 wins this season. I agree their schedule is weak and 2 FCS teams on schedule this year is bad. But all he can do is beat the teams in schedule.

I’m not saying Fuente is great or they playing at an incredibly high level, but bad is severely down playing his career at VT. That’s not a fair statement. And he was considered one of the hottest names in coaching coming out of Memphis...does that give people pause on Norvall?

I think we could do A LOT worse than Fuente (we're experiencing it now), but I think what fans may feel like they're getting with him is a known ceiling. It's probably a pretty high floor, but the ceiling is that's he's good, but not great. I think Fuente would be much safer than Napier (for example), but it feels like Napier is rising so fans think maybe we'd be catching something on the way up that could be really great. Again, not that it makes him a better choice, I just think that's why you get "meh" responses on Fuente.

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