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10-25-2019, 08:47 PM
Todd4State

I think it’s too simple for DC’s to figure out what he is doing because he uses the same personnel groupings too much. That would be fine if he ran a HUNH but he obviously doesn’t. There’s no two TE or two running back sets to provide extra blocking support which we need at times.

Also because he rarely subs during a series it keeps us from taking advantage of players like Malik Dear.
10-25-2019, 09:14 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by HailStateSZN19

Is he really wanting out that bad? Not doubting what you?ve heard, I?m legitimately asking. Even if the Rutgers job goes to Schiano and it?s not available, is it still thought that he?s looking to get out?

My question is why would anyone else want him at this point? Would any fanbase be excited to see him come in with what he has done here so far?
10-25-2019, 09:25 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

From my talks with people in Starkville:

Joe had an eye-opening year last year- but convinced himself it was a QB problem. K-State and since has shown him its not just the QB. Told his agent to get his ass out of the South. Agent is pumping him for every job possible.

4-8 and I dont see him back. But we have a game tomorrow and all kinds of shit can happen. People are preparing for worst case scenario but we still have to be in wait-and-see mode

Well... at least Cohen will know what does & does not work at MSU when he makes his next hire.

I realize that's a crappy consolidation prize, but I guess it's better than nothing

Joe's tenure reminds of when Steve Spurrier went to the NFL. He couldn't block for the fun & gun
10-25-2019, 09:29 PM
ShotgunDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

D-Line Heaven in the South. You dont get much time to make multi-level reads- which is what JoVester coaches. 20 sacks in 7 games.

If Joe survives this season, do you think he will realize that this offense won't work in it's current form? Or will he continue to be boneheaded?
10-25-2019, 09:55 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Coach34

From my talks with people in Starkville:

Joe had an eye-opening year last year- but convinced himself it was a QB problem. K-State and since has shown him its not just the QB. Told his agent to get his ass out of the South. Agent is pumping him for every job possible.

4-8 and I dont see him back. But we have a game tomorrow and all kinds of shit can happen. People are preparing for worst case scenario but we still have to be in wait-and-see mode

What's worst case scenario in your opinion? That we have to fire him?
10-25-2019, 09:57 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Coach34

Because in the Northeast its more of a battle of wits with different coverages and match-ups- and the talent levels arent that different.

In the South- where you have a plethera of great athletes but different levels of skills- its alot more man coverage used and less strategy. It's simply- can you beat this man or not? Southern Defenses are limiting JoVester's offense because of all the man coverage and forcing quicker QB decisions than what the offense wants. Thats why we have 20 sacks in 7 games- dont have the time to make the reads.

Its the reason Ohio State started dominating when urban went there. He built an sec team in the big 10 and the rest can't hang.
10-25-2019, 09:57 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

If Joe survives this season, do you think he will realize that this offense won't work in it's current form? Or will he continue to be boneheaded?

Its what he has always run apparently. Not sure he would be willing to change. Now I know some of it is talent but why is basically the same offense working like a charm at LSU? Is Burrow not having to make all these reads that he learned from Joe's protege Brady? And this is the first year Burrow has been in this system so apparently it doesn't take years to get it down.
10-25-2019, 09:58 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Commercecomet24

Its the reason Ohio State started dominating when urban went there. He built an sec team in the big 10 and the rest can't hang.

Bingo
10-25-2019, 10:05 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Its what he has always run apparently. Not sure he would be willing to change. Now I know some of it is talent but why is basically the same offense working like a charm at LSU? Is Burrow not having to make all these reads that he learned from Joe's protege Brady? And this is the first year Burrow has been in this system so apparently it doesn't take years to get it down.

LSU isn’t running the same offense as Joe. They’re running a Sean Payton inspired offense with some of Joe’s RPO’s mixed in. Their offense is probably 90% Payton and 10% Joe. And that’s probably being generous.
10-25-2019, 10:06 PM
KB21

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Its what he has always run apparently. Not sure he would be willing to change. Now I know some of it is talent but why is basically the same offense working like a charm at LSU? Is Burrow not having to make all these reads that he learned from Joe's protege Brady? And this is the first year Burrow has been in this system so apparently it doesn't take years to get it down.

Well, it’s two fold. Joe Burrow is a 1st round NFL draft pick playing QB there, and the discipline is a lot better at LSU than it is at Mississippi State right now.
10-25-2019, 10:31 PM
TrapGame

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Originally Posted by Coach34

From my talks with people in Starkville:

Joe had an eye-opening year last year- but convinced himself it was a QB problem. K-State and since has shown him its not just the QB. Told his agent to get his ass out of the South. Agent is pumping him for every job possible.

4-8 and I dont see him back. But we have a game tomorrow and all kinds of shit can happen. People are preparing for worst case scenario but we still have to be in wait-and-see mode

Yeah, those BC, Illinois and Rutger mentions just didn't come outta nowhere.
10-25-2019, 10:44 PM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

No. We definitely would not have to buyout his contract. Your source is just plain incorrect.

Whatever. Y'all don't want to hear it I know. I didn't either, not from this source. I was sort of hoping he would tell me what y'all have been saying was true. I got laughed at.
10-25-2019, 10:58 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

LSU isn’t running the same offense as Joe. They’re running a Sean Payton inspired offense with some of Joe’s RPO’s mixed in. Their offense is probably 90% Payton and 10% Joe. And that’s probably being generous.

This must be the answer. Our offense looks like its moving in mud compared to LSU's. I certainly didn't see any 'check with me' crap for Burrow.
10-25-2019, 11:32 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

Whatever. Y'all don't want to hear it I know. I didn't either, not from this source. I was sort of hoping he would tell me what y'all have been saying was true. I got laughed at.

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...elemas-buyout/
10-25-2019, 11:46 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Coach34

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...elemas-buyout/

Yep this stuff happens every year. Very rarely is a buyout paid in full. Joe can go and more than likely will if he goes 4-8 and maybe 5-7 unless he leaves on his own.
10-26-2019, 12:01 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsport...elemas-buyout/

I just know, through my source, what as of now we would be obligated to do. It doesn't mean a lump sum, but we are obligated to pay the remainder of his contract. This person doesn't deal in rumors. This person doesn't have to.
10-26-2019, 07:26 AM
BeastMan

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

I just know, through my source, what as of now we would be obligated to do. It doesn't mean a lump sum, but we are obligated to pay the remainder of his contract. This person doesn't deal in rumors. This person doesn't have to.

So you asked Steve what was the buyout was and if we’re we firing JoMo. He told you an answer that is correct as of today. The problem is that it’s much more nuanced and not as cut and dry as you want it to be. End of the day, if JoMo goes 4-8 he’s out and we won’t pay $9.5M.
10-26-2019, 07:57 AM
MrKotter

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Originally Posted by Liverpooldawg

It's not a terrible source, LOL. We would owe him what is left on his contract. The only way he leaves is if he leaves on his own and everything that has been said about THAT is strictly rumor with zero basis in fact as of this week.

Just stop. Your ?source? is stupid. The 9 mil would not be paid
10-26-2019, 08:12 AM
Jarius

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

LSU isn?t running the same offense as Joe. They?re running a Sean Payton inspired offense with some of Joe?s RPO?s mixed in. Their offense is probably 90% Payton and 10% Joe. And that?s probably being generous.

The same offense is currently working at Penn state against much better defenses than Tennessee and Kansas State. I don?t know what is going on but Joe?s offense is sucking against everyone right now. Not just the mythical brutal SEC defenses that he plays. He plays 3 or 4 good defenses a year. What is the excuse every other week?
10-26-2019, 11:32 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by BeastMan

So you asked Steve what was the buyout was and if we?re we firing JoMo. He told you an answer that is correct as of today. The problem is that it?s much more nuanced and not as cut and dry as you want it to be. End of the day, if JoMo goes 4-8 he?s out and we won?t pay $9.5M.

Hope you are correct, but I don't think you are. Things can change, maybe they will.

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