John Cohen, it's time for you to do your job

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Agree.

There are two groups of MSU fans, those that accept our place and those that don't. I don't accept it but, situations like this, are causing me to lose hope in even being capable changing our position.

How can you build anything with this happening?

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It is always going to be harder for schools like State, but I don't feel that fans (donors) believe Joe can take us to the promised land. You have to have the certain "it" factor for confidence and support to build behind the program, and it feels like we have lost all momentum there.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Neither of ours got promotions. Neither were told to leave.

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More money is not a promotion. If saban wants them he will get them. They have 100 million more to spend each year.

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

More money is not a promotion. If saban wants them he will get them. They have 100 million more to spend each year.

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Nope. Promotion is advancing to the next level. More money is a raise.

So you woudn't leave for raise?

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Actually, it's the exact opposite. Why can Clemson build themselves up? Because they gave, and gave some more. The schools that continue to build thru adversity and give more money instead of taking their money away are the ones who have succeeded. Every time things have gotten tough over the past 50 years, our fan base has started eating itself instead of pulling together and doing more. Every. Single. Time. And yet we wonder why we can't have nice things.

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Well then maybe some of our fans should stop telling donors to shut up and accept mediocre

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Originally Posted by Jack Lambert

So you woudn't leave for raise?

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For only a raise? No, not if I’m happy. And that raise certainty didn’t pull one of their former players at OM. Baker just got a good raise from us too.

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Originally Posted by Lord McBuckethead

Bama's coaches move up when they move out. This is a lateral move as far as position and responsibility. Now working for Saban has a big bonus of being in his coaching tree. Also, beating Bama has a bigger plus side to it.

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Lol it's not a lateral move. Come on.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

Agree.

There are two groups of MSU fans, those that accept our place and those that don't. I don't accept it but, situations like this, are causing me to lose hope in even being capable changing our position.

How can you build anything with this happening?

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Not true. There are some that don't accept it but understand the reality. They don't like it but they aren't diving off tall buildings to show how mad they are.

State as a whole has to decide if it's gonna do what Clemson did or not. Pretty simple. It can be done but it takes effort from everywhere State, and moreso than in a lot of places bc of our size. Otherwise State is 6-9 wins a year.

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

Outside of your perception how was the baseball search a joke? We got a young up and comer who apparently has good references. One you keep posting is gonna be awesome. Did he just call up Cohen and say hey I'm lemonis you should hire me and Cohen said sounds good? To me it played out not a joke.

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If you don't think the baseball search(I didn't say hire, I said search) was a joke then you are the only person in America that feels that way.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Neither of ours got promotions. Neither were told to leave.

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Promotions don't just come in title alone. And paths to 2 step ahead promotions sometimes means taking a small step or a sidestep to get there.

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Originally Posted by BrunswickDawg

Actually, it's the exact opposite. Why can Clemson build themselves up? Because they gave, and gave some more. The schools that continue to build thru adversity and give more money instead of taking their money away are the ones who have succeeded. Every time things have gotten tough over the past 50 years, our fan base has started eating itself instead of pulling together and doing more. Every. Single. Time. And yet we wonder why we can't have nice things.

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Nailed it. We sulk and pout (like right now) instead of band together.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

Neither of ours got promotions. Neither were told to leave.

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I'm sorry but if I'm making 300k as a position coach and I got an offer to make 750 doing the same thing at a school with stability I'd say I'm prob calling my wife and telling her to pack the house and sell that bitch I'll see you there.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Yep. Our fan base will come up with every excuse in the book before admitting MAYBE somebody could have done a better job in our program. Blows my mind how it's always just poor MSU, and coaches & AD's are void of criticism. Why is that? It's strange

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PREACH!!

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

If you don't think the baseball search(I didn't say hire, I said search) was a joke then you are the only person in America that feels that way.

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Well maybe so. I just know how corporate job searches, which this basically is, goes and sometimes the perception isn't the reality. I'm not saying it wasn't a cluster but no one really knows for sure what went down.

On the bright side, at least Saban doesn't want Shoop... yet.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

True. I'm pretty sure they are down, especially as of late. (But I have no numbers to back that)

And to be honest, maybe that's the answer....if anybody complaining because they desire to see State win at a high level is getting told to quit bitching, maybe they should accept the same mediocrity that the sunshine brigade accepts and just close their wallets altogether.

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I can't see the sunshine brigade you speak of. It's too dark in here.

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Originally Posted by RougeDawg

Successful companies have retention plans and make sure their top talent doesn?t leave. Bottom line. Do more reading and searchihg and lest posting please .

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How's that 'retention' working out for Bama? EVERY company/school HAS to replace talent. Please explain exactly 'how' a school retains a coach that wants to leave!

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

In isolated circumstances, I agree but from the baseball hire to this football exodus, we are seeing a real trend.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

In isolated circumstances, I agree but from the baseball hire to this football exodus, we are seeing a real trend.

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Baseball has nothing to do with this thread, and the new coach hasn't even coached his first game yet. So I don't know what you're getting at there. Our previous coach didn't leave for a better job, and we didn't hire the interim after he took us to the CWS, so I don't know what you're griping about besides that we were unable to a pull head coach from other elite programs.

The trend you see is that there is nothing in college football that promotes parity except for limiting how many players a team can have on scholarship. You acquire talent through what's more or less a black market, and your budget is as big as your donors want it to be. To go along with all this, the most successful program and one of the most resource rich programs in the country isn't just in our conference, they're the closest team to us in the freaking country geographically. That program has decided they wanted two of our coaches.

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

I'm sorry but if I'm making 300k as a position coach and I got an offer to make 750 doing the same thing at a school with stability I'd say I'm prob calling my wife and telling her to pack the house and sell that bitch I'll see you there.

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A school with stability? LOL. And he was offered big money to stay.

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Originally Posted by Cooterpoot

A school with stability? LOL. And he was offered big money to stay.

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How much was he offered to stay?