Lovett decommitted

I trust Coach Joe and his staff in a recruiting plan for the present (holding and signing 15 very good players & and the near future - finishing strong in Feb after being here only about 3 months). That said, what was the deal with Jalen Cunningham, the high 3* DT from Al that also signed with UNM? Did he have a committable offer from us? Maybe they had issues (grades, attitudes,??), but if Lovett signs with UNM this does make three DL committed to us that end up with UNM. Anyone got any insight on Cunningham's story?

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Originally Posted by confucius say

The freak out and overreaction from our fan base always amazes me. We've all known this is coming.

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I always get amused at these type posts. For MSU fans, if you don't react to bad news in recruiting with either "who cares", "good riddance", or "best of luck to him" then you are officially freaking out. Losing 2 DL commits from your class is NOT a good thing. I really don't even know of any other high level DL we are even in on.

The truth is we don’t need to sign every kid we target. That’s unrealistic. Having “commits” flip due to money is frustrating but it’s something we’ve dealt with for decades. And despite that, we’re the better program the last twenty years and right now. I understand being pissed that Ole Miss just does whatever they want and nobody stops them, but we could be that way too if we wanted. Our administration, compliance office, and football program have decided that we’re not going to be a dirty program even if it cost us the chance to take the next step. So, if you want change, go talk to compliance or the NCAA about why they get to do what they do and we don’t.

All in all though, I don’t really care about losing a 3-star DL to a shit program. It’s like being pissed that USM got a 3 star.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Any chance we get Elliss in this year? That would be huge

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Hope we can for sure now, he was a luxury before but a real need now.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Hope we can for sure now, he was a luxury before but a real need now.

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Get Elliss, Moore, Crumedy, & Pickering on campus & we never miss a beat.

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

The only thing that will stop it is shutting the OM Network down.

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I understand that and I'm saying that it would. But I am saying that it would show them that we would stand up for ourselves and that's probably the best thing we can do in this situation.

If the NCAA isn't going to bust them they aren't going to bust us over one player.

It's not about shutting Ole Miss down- it's about controlling perception. And something that Dan failed at miserably.

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Originally Posted by Kyper

State lacks the coordinated effort and commitment of other schools. Too many wannabe Chiefs and not enough Indians. Bama doesnt have to pay recruits to visit like OM does, but you can damn well bet Bama lines up 6-figure jobs for the parents of major signees. Nick Saban has relatively little knowledge of it but he damn sure expects it to happen for signing day because his wish list is known to the chief who makes the rest happen. State has nothing closely resembling this.

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Dan wanting very little to do with many of our big boosters didn't help.

We can get coordinated for basketball but not football?

Like I asked, if Jalen Cunningham's offer was committable (?), and Lovett signs with UNM, this is three DL from us to them.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

I always get amused at these type posts. For MSU fans, if you don't react to bad news in recruiting with either "who cares", "good riddance", or "best of luck to him" then you are officially freaking out. Losing 2 DL commits from your class is NOT a good thing. I really don't even know of any other high level DL we are even in on.

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I certainly would rather get them than lose them. With that said, we did not lose Chris jones, Simmons, McPhee, Cox, or even Kobe/fletcher Adams. I think we can find someone late who is very comparable or much better next cycle

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Originally Posted by Ari Gold

Whatever the kid decides to do is on him. If he wants to be in Oxford so be it.
We know what goes into that more times than not when a kid flips to OM
The midnight tweet should tell you all you need to know.
And this ?early playing time? bullshit is just that . Bullshit. Unless you are a QB or RB this doesn?t fly. DL rolls out 8-10 players getting snaps every weekend
99% of high school kids that are SEC talent think they can play from day one at any college including SEC
So go ahead and spin the early PT

And this would have gone down if Mullen And crew were still coaching .. everyone remeber that also.

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The other plain fact is that there are MS HS recruits that would have given UNM much more consideration during the 2018 recruiting cycle had they known that the NCAA was going to go so easy on them with the sanctions. Also the reason the 2019 class is going to be a much bigger challenge for us.

Finding someone late can have a downside of course unless you get a bama/lsu left over or a ovelooked diamond in the rough. Is the OL we are pursuing from the Memphis area better than Carmin (Tn signee) or got a great upside though a low 3*? I know people say OL are the toughest to evaluate unless maybe a solid 4 or 5* of course.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I certainly would rather get them than lose them. With that said, we did not lose Chris jones, Simmons, McPhee, Cox, or even Kobe/fletcher Adams. I think we can find someone late who is very comparable or much better next cycle

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When the DL depth clears out in 2019 I'm not look for true freshman to have to play so next cycle does not help us as much.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

When the DL depth clears out in 2019 I'm not look for true freshman to have to play so next cycle does not help us as much.

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Adams, Kobe, Spencer, rivers, autry, Odom, crumedy, and Robinson should all be there... hopefully elliss too

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Originally Posted by msstate7

I certainly would rather get them than lose them. With that said, we did not lose Chris jones, Simmons, McPhee, Cox, or even Kobe/fletcher Adams. I think we can find someone late who is very comparable or much better next cycle

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After this season we lose 4 interior d-linemen. This is the year that you want to sign DT's so they can redshirt and be ready to step in. Lovett was that guy for us. He's a good player. A lot of people think he is a future NFL guy. I could care less about losing Williams, and Cunningham didn't have a committable offer. Paul Jones said we would likely keep Lovett if we kept Brian Baker and that's obviously not the case.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

The other plain fact is that there are MS HS recruits that would have given UNM much more consideration during the 2018 recruiting cycle had they known that the NCAA was going to go so easy on them with the sanctions. Also the reason the 2019 class is going to be a much bigger challenge for us.

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With the slap on the wrist the toothless NCAA gave UNM with regard to a insulting # of scholarships lost, the Network just took a very short timeout before business as usual! Their 2018 class might finish 30 or better, already 36. 2019 recruiting will be as dirty as usual. NCAA does not care. The bagmen can deliver cash & cars in the Indiana HQ parking lot and UNM will just get another, "You better cut out that s***, Black Bart", letter shaming them again. JMO. Hail State!

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Originally Posted by parabrave

Call me psycho. Some of these High Schoolers think they should be starters their freshmen year.

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Some of these high schoolers are going to have issues passing classes at MSU. Let them go to ole...

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Originally Posted by Goldendawg

With the slap on the wrist the toothless NCAA gave UNM with regard to a insulting # of scholarships lost, the Network just took a very short timeout before business as usual! Their 2018 class might finish 30 or better, already 36. 2019 recruiting will be as dirty as usual. NCAA does not care. The bagmen can deliver cash & cars in the Indiana HQ parking lot and UNM will just get another, "You better cut out that s***, Black Bart", letter shaming them again. JMO. Hail State!

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Let me just say that right now, their 2018 class is pitiful. I wouldn't mind having the Moore kid at WR, but make no mistake, UGA processed him. Lovett would be their best signee.

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

After this season we lose 4 interior d-linemen. This is the year that you want to sign DT's so they can redshirt and be ready to step in. Lovett was that guy for us. He's a good player. A lot of people think he is a future NFL guy. I could care less about losing Williams, and Cunningham didn't have a committable offer. Paul Jones said we would likely keep Lovett if we kept Brian Baker and that's obviously not the case.

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Then we need to get elliss in school, and hit on some good ones next season. We have had some good fortune in signing HS dlinemen that are pretty much starters as freshmen in jones and simmons... need to do it again. Perhaps we recruit Gooden again. RSing rivers and autry should take a little of the sting out of this too

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

Yours. I?m retired.

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Thank you for your service.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Dan wanting very little to do with many of our big boosters didn't help.

We can get coordinated for basketball but not football?

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Because it has to be coordinated from the top down. Stans showed us how in basketball, apparently we've never had anyone be able to do the same in football.