Cohen to AD gaining some serious steam...

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10-11-2016, 08:12 PM
bluelightstar

The real message of this thread is that nobody knows what's going on. "People in the know say no chance" vs. "He's basically already hired."
10-11-2016, 08:14 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

Yep.

All these people are freaking out like they KNOW Cohen would be a bad hire. He likely wouldn't be, but nobody knows. Besides, none of us know a damn thing about hiring an AD. Saying Cohen is a "lazy" choice, or "I'm done if we hire Cohen", is just so damn ridiculous. From a fans perspective, Cohen has everything I want in an AD....involved in all sports on campus, smart guy, knows how to raise funds, knows how to recruit and how important recruiting is in all sports, and wants MSU to win Championships. Plus, nobody walks on Cohen like they do Stricklin.

To anyone saying John's a terrible hire, give me YOUR short list for AD and what makes them the guy for the job. I'll hang up and listen.

Warde Manuel (AD for Michigan)... I want a proven AD and he can bring harbaugh as football coach. We're SEC, so warde will walk to Mississippi to have this huge opportunity.

Yeah, I'm playing
10-11-2016, 08:50 PM
yjnkdawg

I am putting my confidence in Dr. Mark Keenum's decision on this. I think he probably knows what best for our university and our athletic department, and he is very passionate in wanting MSU to succeed in all things at the greatest level it can be.
10-11-2016, 09:04 PM
bulldogcountry1

I really have no idea about how Cohen would do as AD. I'm selfishly worried about baseball.

But it's the money issue that doesn't make sense to me. So we couldn't/wouldn't pay Stricklin 1.2 mil, but we are going to promote our baseball HC who makes near that much...and then make a HR hire that would demand over a mil?

Am I missing something?
10-11-2016, 09:12 PM
yjnkdawg

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Originally Posted by bulldogcountry1

I really have no idea about how Cohen would do as AD. I'm selfishly worried about baseball.

But it's the money issue that doesn't make sense to me. So we couldn't/wouldn't pay Stricklin 1.2 mil, but we are going to promote our baseball HC who makes near that much...and then make a HR hire that would demand over a mil?

Am I missing something?

Don't think money had any bearing on Stricklin deciding to take the FL AD position.
10-11-2016, 09:22 PM
Homedawg

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Originally Posted by preachermatt83

If it is Cohen then he is flat out lying to recruits and recruits parents. Not saying that's not the case but I highly doubt it. IF Cohen were to get the job, he is friends with a current OUTSTANDING coach from the big 12 and that would be the first offer made I bet.

Orgeron. Nothing else needs to be said. Period.
10-11-2016, 09:42 PM
preachermatt83

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Originally Posted by Homedawg

Orgeron. Nothing else needs to be said. Period.

Arr arr rawrr ar rawr ....Baseball
10-11-2016, 09:46 PM
Maroons

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Originally Posted by DeviousDawg

An athletic department becomes successful when it's results sell itself, not the other way around.

Like #1 in football and a national championship appearance in baseball?
10-11-2016, 09:50 PM
AlSwearengen

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Originally Posted by Intramural All-American

As I said the other day, Cohen is most definitely a very serious candidate. I'll say this, those expecting to get a big time head coach to replace him if he gets it, should hold your horses. He has people that he likes that are assistant coaches now. You're not going to hire a head coach away from a school at this point in the game. Fall ball has already started, so expect an assistant coach. If it's the name I have heard, we may have an all-new coaching staff in a matter of the next couple weeks. Again, this all depends on if Cohen gets it, which is a good chance but not a sure thing.

If someone other than Cohen gets it, I want you to tell us the name you have heard. And I don't want Butch.
10-11-2016, 10:08 PM
RezDog7

I would be fine with Cohen as AD for all the positive reasons pointed out so far. I have made hiring decisions in my company and often times the current employee who has worked their tale off is much better than the outsider with more experience because they want to succeed for your company first, not necessarily just for themselves.
10-11-2016, 10:19 PM
Percho

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Originally Posted by DeviousDawg

I guess our country is screwed, because every time we elect a new president they have never had any experience as president!!!****

If you don't think that Cohen has gained endless knowledge on how an athletic department works during his tenure here, then you are just illogical. We wouldn't even be discussing this if the people that we trust to run our university, didn't trust Cohen to run our University's athletics.

I guess we could take the, "left over," at the end of November for our AD***
10-11-2016, 10:26 PM
Intramural All-American

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Originally Posted by AlSwearengen

If someone other than Cohen gets it, I want you to tell us the name you have heard. And I don't want Butch.

Deal. And if he does get it, I'll let you know once the hire is made if it is who I had heard or not too. I've heard not Butch and not Burroughs though.
10-12-2016, 02:46 AM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Intramural All-American

As I said the other day, Cohen is most definitely a very serious candidate. I'll say this, those expecting to get a big time head coach to replace him if he gets it, should hold your horses. He has people that he likes that are assistant coaches now. You're not going to hire a head coach away from a school at this point in the game. Fall ball has already started, so expect an assistant coach. If it's the name I have heard, we may have an all-new coaching staff in a matter of the next couple weeks. Again, this all depends on if Cohen gets it, which is a good chance but not a sure thing.

An assistant coach? A whole new coaching staff? Right before college baseball NSD?

What a nightmare.

I do agree with you that if Cohen becomes the AD we won?t get near the ?home run? hire that some people in this thread have predicted we would get. And I would guess that Butch is probably on the higher end of who we probably could get.

And last time we had a head coach at MSU with no college head coaching experience? Try 1975. Jimmy Bragan.
10-12-2016, 07:18 AM
bulldogcountry1

There's no way this ends well.

If Cohen gets AD, then there's any number of disasters that could happen. Most have been mentioned already.

If he doesn't get it, is he going to pout like Mullen? The fact that he even wants it at his age tells me he isn't 100% happy with his dream job.
10-12-2016, 09:03 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by yjnkdawg

Don't think money had any bearing on Stricklin deciding to take the FL AD position.

My source on this, and it's a decent one, said we offered up to 1 million for 4 years, the maximum time allowed under state law. Florida offered 1.5 for 5 years. That's a 4 million dollar contract vs a 7.5 million dollar one. That's a no brainer for anyone and it was all about money.

Same source says that the preference going into the search is for a sitting AD. He said that that doesn't mean Cohen won't get it if he actually wants it, just that he will have to overcome that preference. My source says it could happen but it's a long shot.
10-12-2016, 09:24 AM
Political Hack

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Originally Posted by civildawg

I might as well go buy a damn Bama shirt and be done with it.

I'll meet you at Wal-Mart. Save me an XL if you get there before I do. There's going to be a rush on Bama gear across Mississippi.
10-12-2016, 09:40 AM
WSOPdawg

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Originally Posted by RocketDawg

I've never been all that impressed with Keenum. He's no Zacharias.

Sorry RocketDawg, but Keenum's blood runs "true maroon," as did Zacharias'.

Portera, on the other hand, was not of MSU bloodlines and had no allegiance to the university other than what was required to draw a paycheck (hence he left) and now we've got a significant upgrade to someone who is loyal.

Two weeks ago, Nobody blamed Stricklin for his decision because of the salary upgrade he was getting. He could have just as easily had a change of heart and decided to stay with his alma mater, but no. Cohen and his intensity could be very useful when lighting a fire under coaches and holding them to account when needed, and we know he bleeds maroon.
10-12-2016, 10:11 AM
Tripp McNeely

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Originally Posted by Political Hack

I'll meet you at Wal-Mart. Save me an XL if you get there before I do. There's going to be a rush on Bama gear across Mississippi.

This dude seemed to do okay with the job and he was JUST AS qualified as Cohen. LSU actually became the LSU we know today during his tenure https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skip_Bertman
10-12-2016, 11:02 AM
Really Clark?

Around 20% of all AD's have ever been a coach. Not a head coach but a coach period. The business has changed a lot and that path as an AD, not a great AD but just to get the job, is diminishing. Now there have been a few really good ones still in the last decade or so. Alverez has done a really good job at Wisconsin. (Although being wrapped up in the Sapario Ponzi scheme to the tune of $600,000 was a concern). Yow was a former coach that has had a long career as an AD as well. Bergman did well. There have been several who have not done well. But the vast majority are coaches who had been coaching for a long time and had been involved with the AD office for a long time as well. Yow spent 5 years at Florida as an assistant AD before getting her first AD job and didn't coach during that time. I can't think of one who actually left in the middle of their prime coaching career to become AD. Its just really concerning to me. You look at guys like Rob Mullen s at Oregon whose background is accounting, auditing, deputy director of athletics at Kentucky. Or ex-CEO types like the guy replaced or the Michigan AD. Bellotti tried it for a year and he had rough go of it with some off the field issues and firing of the longtime basketball coach that was somewhat of a split and the passion to be involved with his sport caused him to resign after just a year. And Bellotti had been groomed for a year or a little more to take over when Kilkenny retired. I just have reservations that this would be a good move for either Cohen or the athletic department.
10-12-2016, 11:17 AM
bhamdawgfan

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Originally Posted by Intramural All-American

Deal. And if he does get it, I'll let you know once the hire is made if it is who I had heard or not too. I've heard not Butch and not Burroughs though.

Looks like he got it. Why not tell us who you've heard?

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