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08-16-2016, 04:27 PM
BrokerDawg

If Nick Saban is the ultimate standard by which modern day coaches are judged, then I would say Dan is ahead of schedule. Go back and look at his record at Michigan State. And Dan inherited a program in much worse shape and in a lot tougher conference, much less division. I hope he is here for a long time, buy when he does leave as all coaches do, any success we are able to sustain will have a lot to do with what he did while here. I swear we are our own worst enemies! All coaches make decisions that frustrate their fan base.
08-16-2016, 04:44 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by BrokerDawg

If Nick Saban is the ultimate standard by which modern day coaches are judged, then I would say Dan is ahead of schedule. Go back and look at his record at Michigan State. And Dan inherited a program in much worse shape and in a lot tougher conference, much less division. I hope he is here for a long time, buy when he does leave as all coaches do, any success we are able to sustain will have a lot to do with what he did while here. I swear we are our own worst enemies! All coaches make decisions that frustrate their fan base.

All you have to do is look at the Bama melt after the unm loss last year. They were all ready to fire Saban, saying things like he got complacent, lost his fire, bad decision maker, blah, blah, blah. All that sound familiar? Our society is now one of instant gratification. People don't have patience to watch someone build something it has to be right now. I, for one, like stability even if that's not popular right now. I believe Dan is learning and growing as a coach. Can you imagine the melt if he left and won a NC somewhere else?
08-16-2016, 04:49 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

what Mississippi is doing is a very small part of the way myself and others feel.

It's about holding on to the poorest recruiter on staff and being subpar at his position talent wise
It's about job searching every November and hurting recruiting
It's about being 3-22 vs Saban, Miles, Sumlin, and Freezus

As I keep saying- we'll see what happens this season

This is how I feel although I would like to see some more creativity on offense as well.
08-16-2016, 04:53 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

I find it pretty short sighted to base any of Dan Mullen's extension talk off of the outcome of the Egg Bowl.

Everyone wants to find an objective measure by which to evaluate Mullen, but it's subjective. I want to see our program continuing to move in the right direction, I want to see progress on the OL, I want to see progress at RB, I want to see us develop another QB. If Mullen does all that well & we only win 7 or 8 games, then I don't see why the outcome of a 60 minute football game would have anything to do with whether Mullen is the right coach for the future of MSU.

Plus, everyone seems to selectively forget that Ole Miss is a unionized football team that won't hardly exist in 1 to 2 years. Why would you base the performance of a coach that does things the right way vs his performance against a unionized team?

They are a big factor for us if for no other reason than they are in state. We will have a chance to bury them again. Will Dan do it? Or will he continue to recruit questionably and allow them to stay around?

A good coach should be able to completely send Ole Miss to Vanderbilt territory. We let them off the hook in 1995. We can't allow it to happen again.
08-16-2016, 05:17 PM
Commercecomet24

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

They are a big factor for us if for no other reason than they are in state. We will have a chance to bury them again. Will Dan do it? Or will he continue to recruit questionably and allow them to stay around?

A good coach should be able to completely send Ole Miss to Vanderbilt territory. We let them off the hook in 1995. We can't allow it to happen again.

Absolutely right in that we have a chance to bury them and we need too. Dan has hired the right people to recruit at a high level both in state and nationally this past offseason. Dan had become frustrated with the level of unm cheating and nothing being done. The reason he was looking around so hard last year. He has worked hard to build us the right way and then freeze and company come in taking shortcuts. I would be frustrated too! After it got real for unm with the NCAA he got re energized. He has a chance to bury them now. I agree a good coach will step on their throat at this point . We shall see.
08-16-2016, 06:41 PM
lamont

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

I get frustrated as hell at some of Dan's weaknesses, but it's idiotic to zero in on weaknesses when actually determining whether you want him to stay. If you want a coach taht is not frustrating as hell to committed fans, you basically get to choose between Saban and Saban. The question is whether you think we are realistically likely to upgrade if he leaves, and the answer is no. Other people can certainly win here, but lots of SEC teams manage to 17 up hires. Our highly optimistic scenario would be to hire somebody that manages to repeat what Mullen has done. Our likely scenario is somebody comes in and wins some but with a floor that drops to 5 wins. You don't encourage Mullen to leave in order to roll the dice with a new guy. Even if we win 6 this year and 6 the next, you keep with him as long as he is trying to get better (and he pretty much has attempted to address every weakness other than Hev).

Nobody is saying fire him. But 6-6 and 2-6 in the SEC is not going to get him a contract extension. We can hire anybody to do that.
You guys keep trying to compare to Croom- you cant do that. No AD makes that terrible hire other than LT. To add to that, we are in an different era now than when Crooms was coach. Our budget is much larger. We have a bowled in stadium on one end now, SEC Network. SEC Prestige is much higher. We have 4 built in OOC wins every year now. 2-6 in the SEC is not good- and you dont reward that.

We'll see what happens this season and where things may go from there. Its going to be interesting.
08-16-2016, 07:27 PM
Reason2succeed

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

Nobody is saying fire him. But 6-6 and 2-6 in the SEC is not going to get him a contract extension. We can hire anybody to do that.
You guys keep trying to compare to Croom- you cant do that. No AD makes that terrible hire other than LT. To add to that, we are in an different era now than when Crooms was coach. Our budget is much larger. We have a bowled in stadium on one end now, SEC Network. SEC Prestige is much higher. We have 4 built in OOC wins every year now. 2-6 in the SEC is not good- and you dont reward that.

We'll see what happens this season and where things may go from there. Its going to be interesting.

Why are you so obsessed about us going 6-6 and 2-6 in the SEC? Even if he does it would not be the end of the world as you are saying. TWO YEARS AGO WE WERE #1 FOR 5 WEEKS!!! Not everyone can do that. Freeze hasn't, Richt never did, miles struggles to, Sumlin hasn't, Butch Jones hasn't...

Let me spell it out since you don't seem to understand. I AM SATISFIED WITH THE PROGRESS OF OUR PROGRAM!!! That doesn't make me a chicken little (I'm predicting at least 8 wins this year). It doesn't mean that I am glossing over deficiencies in the OL. It means that I trust Mullen more than I trust Monday morning QBs from the comfort of their couch.
08-16-2016, 07:48 PM
lamont

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Originally Posted by Reason2succeed

It means that I trust Mullen more than I trust Monday morning QBs from the comfort of their couch.

You can trust who you want- but the Monday Morning QB was the one that told you Mullen was trying like Hell to get out of Starkville. And you challenged the MMQB and said he was wrong- but he turned out to be right. You were WRONG on that. Soooooooo, be careful who you trust

If Mullen goes 8-4 as you say- then all this doesnt matter. But if we go 6-6 or so- then there is going to be alot of rumblings. We didnt extend him after last season- and we wont extend him again. Thats all I'm saying
08-16-2016, 08:40 PM
confucius say

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at a time when OM was a trainwreck and A&M wasnt in the West. That couldnt happen today.

Yea but arky and auburn were top 5 teams.
08-16-2016, 09:00 PM
Reason2succeed

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Originally Posted by Random Poster

You can trust who you want- but the Monday Morning QB was the one that told you Mullen was trying like Hell to get out of Starkville. And you challenged the MMQB and said he was wrong- but he turned out to be right. You were WRONG on that. Soooooooo, be careful who you trust

If Mullen goes 8-4 as you say- then all this doesnt matter. But if we go 6-6 or so- then there is going to be alot of rumblings. We didnt extend him after last season- and we wont extend him again. Thats all I'm saying

But you just got here this July?!?***

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