Today is another great example against bunting

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03-26-2016, 10:16 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg62

That's simply not true. Because the pitcher was above average it actually hurt our chances more than normal. Your thinking is flawed.

No you're wrong. Sorry
03-26-2016, 10:16 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Dawg62

Can you read? You asked for a time when to bunt. I said that time would be with Belmont late in the game if there are no other options available off the bench.

I didn't ask shit. I KNOW. It was a good time to
03-26-2016, 10:17 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Based on the hitters batting average- I'd guess somewhere 30-35% for most of our players.

Wut? A .350 hitter doesn't hit .350 if all he's facing is a pitcher whose given up no hits. Damn did you really just type that? Haha
03-26-2016, 10:19 PM
msstate7

Speaking of bunting... Bama just bunted runner to 2nd with 1 out down 2 in the 7th.
03-26-2016, 10:21 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Wut? A .350 hitter doesn't hit .350 if all he's facing is a pitcher whose given up no hits. Damn did you really just type that? Haha

I'm speaking in very broad general terms against all pitchers both good and bad.

But to your point, if you have a hitter that does not hit a pitcher very well- let's say .125 against a certain pitcher it might make sense to have the player bunt in that case. I still wouldn't have a guy like Kruger bunt but a guy that is not a power hitter it would make sense.
03-26-2016, 10:21 PM
Coach34

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I agree, but lastnight's could be one of the 15. Today's never should happen.

I'll track how this plays out- but the top 4 teams right now in Sac bunts are 1st, 5th, ninth, and 14th in the SEC in runs scored
03-26-2016, 10:21 PM
Dawg62

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Well I haven't done statistical research and I'm not sure how those numbers you quoted were attained but 8 or 9 out of 10 managers would bunt in the late innings of a game like yesterday if the leadoff man got on. I find it hard to rail against Cohen for something the vast majority of baseball coaches would do.

Great argument lol. I see the numbers but my anecdotal evidence trumps it. Fool.

And no most would not have bunted Kruger. And no, the 6th is not late in the game. Fool.

http://www.boydsworld.com/data/ert.html
03-26-2016, 10:24 PM
Dawg62

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'll track how this plays out- but the top 4 teams right now in Sac bunts are 1st, 5th, ninth, and 14th in the SEC in runs scored

Not going to be a meaningful correlation
03-26-2016, 10:25 PM
Dawg62

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Speaking of bunting... Bama just bunted runner to 2nd with 1 out down 2 in the 7th.

Just because two retards do something doesn't mean it's not retarded.
03-26-2016, 10:26 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by Dawg62

Great argument lol. I see the numbers but my anecdotal evidence trumps it. Fool.

And no most would not have bunted Kruger. And no, the 6th is not late in the game. Fool.

http://www.boydsworld.com/data/ert.html

I see that Boyd neglected to mention the absolutely dead baseballs that were used in 2011-2012. I'm sure that had no effect on the runs being down at all.
03-26-2016, 10:27 PM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Dawg62

Great argument lol. I see the numbers but my anecdotal evidence trumps it. Fool.

And no most would not have bunted Kruger. And no, the 6th is not late in the game. Fool.

http://www.boydsworld.com/data/ert.html

Ok, if you are going to act like a prick about it then I'm done with having a conversation with you. Will just leave it that any idiot who has watched baseball over a lifetime would know that IN THAT SITUATION the majority of managers would move the runner over.
03-26-2016, 10:27 PM
Dawg62

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

No you're wrong. Sorry

Why don't you prove it.

See: our 2012 SEC bunting. We bunted a man to 2nd 32 times and only scored 6 times. Pathetically absurd. Why? Couldn't hit. Against better pitching or with worse hitting bunting is MORE harmful.
03-26-2016, 10:28 PM
CadaverDawg

I'm done arguing with people that don't know baseball can be situational. It's not always cut and dry. Someone that relies solely on sabermetrics will never understand situational baseball. When you're facing a guy dealing a no hitter through 6, you don't just rely on the laws of sabermetrics to average out in order to win...sometimes you have to mix things up and try to manufacture something on offense. That is baseball...especially college baseball.

I agree that Cohen bunts FAR too often, so I'm not defending his style...it sucks and pisses me off. But last night had nothing to do with style, and everything to do with situation in my mind. Cohen may have been doing it just to Cohen, but it was acceptable given the situation.

Today was totally different. THAT was Cohening, and it was the worst cohening I've seen.

Some people let their dislike of Cohen's scheme affect their entire mindset during EVERY situation of EVERY game. Those people will not be happy until we win a Natty without anyone sac bunting all year except our 9 hole hitter 2-3 times. So they will NEVER be happy until Cohen is gone. I'm not arguing them anymore, but I will state that they're wrong when they're wrong.

It is what it is. Oh, and there are few players in college baseball that are totally immune to bunting. None reside on our team. And they would ALL tell you they would gladly lay one down to win a game. That's guys that play the game, not just read a book and watch MoneyBall. Y'all have fun arguing.
03-26-2016, 10:28 PM
Dawg61

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Originally Posted by basedog

Nothing like pissing off a little bitch, definitely shows why your boyfriend calls U Pee Wee!

Did you tell your wife thank you for typing that last message for you? Maybe y'all were able to share a laugh together for the first time since you dropped your pants 3 years ago in front of her. Keep it up and you might just get a treat tonight after Golden Girls is done.
03-26-2016, 10:28 PM
Dawg62

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Ok, if you are going to act like a prick about it then I'm done with having a conversation with you. Will just leave it that any idiot who has watched baseball over a lifetime would know that IN THAT SITUATION the majority of managers would move the runner over.

So you failed math, logic, statistics, AND debate.
03-26-2016, 10:29 PM
Dawg62

Bunting one man over in the 6th inning with Lon Kruger is the wrong call 100% of the time. Even if we were playing a 7 inning game.
03-26-2016, 10:29 PM
CadaverDawg

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Originally Posted by Coach34

I'll track how this plays out- but the top 4 teams right now in Sac bunts are 1st, 5th, ninth, and 14th in the SEC in runs scored

Your point? Nobody is saying we don't sac bunt too much. We sac bunt WAY too much and I hate it. Don't change the subject and debate. Nobody is saying we don't sac bunt to much or that Cohen doesn't meddle too much. Let's make that clear.
03-26-2016, 10:32 PM
msstate7

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Originally Posted by Dawg62

Just because two retards do something doesn't mean it's not retarded.

Fwiw, bama tied the game 2 batters later after Tennessee walked the next hitter
03-26-2016, 10:32 PM
Todd4State

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I'm done arguing with people that don't know baseball can be situational. It's not always cut and dry. Someone that relies solely on sabermetrics will never understand situational baseball. When you're facing a guy dealing a no hitter through 6, you don't just rely on the laws of sabermetrics to average out in order to win...sometimes you have to mix things up and try to manufacture something on offense. That is baseball...especially college baseball.

I agree that Cohen bunts FAR too often, so I'm not defending his style...it sucks and pisses me off. But last night had nothing to do with style, and everything to do with situation in my mind. Cohen may have been doing it just to Cohen, but it was acceptable given the situation.

Today was totally different. THAT was Cohening, and it was the worst cohening I've seen.

Some people let their dislike of Cohen's scheme affect their entire mindset during EVERY situation of EVERY game. Those people will not be happy until we win a Natty without anyone sac bunting all year except our 9 hole hitter 2-3 times. So they will NEVER be happy until Cohen is gone. I'm not arguing them anymore, but I will state that they're wrong when they're wrong.

It is what it is. Oh, and there are few players in college baseball that are totally immune to bunting. None reside on our team. And they would ALL tell you they would gladly lay one down to win a game. That's guys that play the game, not just read a book and watch MoneyBall. Y'all have fun arguing.

This is a damn strong post.

I need to spread some more rep points before I give you some more my friend.
03-26-2016, 10:34 PM
maroonmania

Quote:

Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I'm done arguing with people that don't know baseball can be situational. It's not always cut and dry. Someone that relies solely on sabermetrics will never understand situational baseball. When you're facing a guy dealing a no hitter through 6, you don't just rely on the laws of sabermetrics to average out in order to win...sometimes you have to mix things up and try to manufacture something on offense. That is baseball...especially college baseball.

I agree that Cohen bunts FAR too often, so I'm not defending his style...it sucks and pisses me off. But last night had nothing to do with style, and everything to do with situation in my mind. Cohen may have been doing it just to Cohen, but it was acceptable given the situation.

Today was totally different. THAT was Cohening, and it was the worst cohening I've seen.

Some people let their dislike of Cohen's scheme affect their entire mindset during EVERY situation of EVERY game. Those people will not be happy until we win a Natty without anyone sac bunting all year except our 9 hole hitter 2-3 times. So they will NEVER be happy until Cohen is gone. I'm not arguing them anymore, but I will state that they're wrong when they're wrong.

It is what it is. Oh, and there are few players in college baseball that are totally immune to bunting. None reside on our team. And they would ALL tell you they would gladly lay one down to win a game. That's guys that play the game, not just read a book and watch MoneyBall. Y'all have fun arguing.

Exactly, like MOST of the time you haven't gone the first 5 innings without getting even ONE hit. So yesterday was not a common situation.

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