Turner to A&M done deal

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02-23-2016, 11:19 AM
DudyDawg

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

I didn't blame Manny the first time he left but after basically being rehired by MSU the second time around when he was almost considered tainted goods I do believe he owed it to MSU to stay at least 3 years. But, in today's world its every man for himself so he did the one and done thing again. Yes, going back to a place where you have some roots is nice but being a man of your word should mean something as well.

What....? You must think we shouldn't fire anyone either at any time unless their contract runs out. That's our "word"
02-23-2016, 11:21 AM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

I didn't blame Manny the first time he left but after basically being rehired by MSU the second time around when he was almost considered tainted goods I do believe he owed it to MSU to stay at least 3 years. But, in today's world its every man for himself so he did the one and done thing again. Yes, going back to a place where you have some roots is nice but being a man of your word should mean something as well.

That's not how it was. It's not how it works. I love the people around me, but if one of them came to me and said the had the opportunity to go home and do the same thing. I would stand-up, walk to him and tell him I get it..... In the end, his number 1 priority isn't to me. It's to his family.

If you can't grasp that it has nothing to do with a debt that he supposedly owed Mullen and MSU, I don't know what to tell you! Some times life isn't about MSU or football.
02-23-2016, 11:23 AM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by Bdawg

I tend to agree with you. Mullen having 1 foot out the door last year probably put a bad taste in our coordinators' mouths. Our headman need to show some long-term commitment to our program somehow. What's his buyout clause? If we really want him long-term, that should be raised.

Oh look... A bear showed up!
02-23-2016, 11:24 AM
Liverpooldawg

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Originally Posted by Coach

Oh look... A bear showed up!

Yep
02-23-2016, 11:27 AM
TrapGame

If Miami doesn't hire Richt we would have kept Manny. Richt is still a good coach and not a retread hire.
02-23-2016, 11:28 AM
Bdawg

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

So many coaches leaving. Gotta stop this shit before it spreads to Hev......

2 thumbs up!!
02-23-2016, 11:28 AM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Coach

That's not how it was. It's not how it works. I love the people around me, but if one of them came to me and said the had the opportunity to go home and do the same thing. I would stand-up, walk to him and tell him I get it..... In the end, his number 1 priority isn't to me. It's to his family.

If you can't grasp that it has nothing to do with a debt that he supposedly owed Mullen and MSU, I don't know what to tell you! Some times life isn't about MSU or football.

Whatever, the man can do what he wants but he came back saying he would not leave for another DC position. Heck, I wasn't even asking for that, just give us a few years of continuity before leaving even if it is lateral. What other P5 school was even looking at Manny after the Texas disaster?
02-23-2016, 11:31 AM
archdog

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Originally Posted by Boodawg

So um doesn't lose any of their key coaches that I know of, in the wake of the investigation, and we lose our entire defensive staff. What gives?

One has nothing to do with the other, so why compare the two different situations.
We have the opportunity to build something new at MSU with this string of hires. Time to get it put together for the long haul.
02-23-2016, 11:31 AM
OSCAR

Been sick all morning and finally get on the board to this. Geeze.
02-23-2016, 11:32 AM
archdog

Not to mention the fact that Turner has been here through like 6 defensive coordinators. That has to be tough working for that many different supervisors over his last 8 years or so.
02-23-2016, 11:33 AM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

What....? You must think we shouldn't fire anyone either at any time unless their contract runs out. That's our "word"

Who has Mullen EVER fired that was left without a job at another P5 school? Even Torbush ended up at Kansas. Mullen has been much more loyal to his assistants in that regard than the reverse. I know there have been a couple that he has encouraged to "look around" but none were forced out before having a good landing spot. And the situation with Manny was a little different in the sense that we sort of revitalized his career. Using us as a stepping stone twice is not ideal for sure. I really don't have any issue with Turner leaving now, he came in and gave us 3 or 4 good years and moved on, I'm fine with that. Being a one and done twice like Manny, not so much.
02-23-2016, 11:33 AM
Coach007

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Whatever, the man can do what he wants but he came back saying he would not leave for another DC position. Heck, I wasn't even asking for that, just give us a few years of continuity before leaving even if it is lateral. What other P5 school was even looking at Manny after the Texas disaster?

I don't know that anybody thought Miami would have been an option for him. It is what it is, andi have seen enough in Mullen to know that he makes great hires and we don't miss a beat. I trust his judgement
02-23-2016, 11:37 AM
maroonmania

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Originally Posted by Coach

I don't know that anybody thought Miami would have been an option for him. It is what it is, andi have seen enough in Mullen to know that he makes great hires and we don't miss a beat. I trust his judgement

As has been stated, we are probably hurt more on the recruiting front than actual on field coaching. Mullen makes some pretty good hires so on the field coaching will be fine with the turnover, I'm not too worried about that, however, it does take time to build relationship with HS coaches and that's where we get dinged and we often see the results on signing day. Guys like Hev and Sallach that have been around well, I'm not sure how many HS coaches want a relationship with them.
02-23-2016, 11:41 AM
BrunswickDawg

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

As has been stated, we are probably hurt more on the recruiting front than actual on field coaching. Mullen makes some pretty good hires so on the field coaching will be fine with the turnover, I'm not too worried about that, however, it does take time to build relationship with HS coaches and that's where we get dinged and we often see the results on signing day. Guys like Hev and Sallach that have been around well, I'm not sure how many HS coaches want a relationship with them.

Which makes the office recruiting jobs we hired so important. Those guys will be a huge help with an all new staff. All our new hires have strong recruiting reps.
02-23-2016, 11:41 AM
Bdawg

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Originally Posted by Coach

Oh look... A bear showed up!

That's pretty funny. I know my posts are low but in no way I am a bear. What did I say that would make you think that. Are you saying you don't mind your coach looking around? I sure as hell don't like it! And if I worked under him, I wouldn't like it either. Don't call me a bear again, please.
02-23-2016, 11:43 AM
Dawgology

With all of the talk about turnover I thought I would look at efficiency rankings since Mullen took over. Here is what I got from football outsider.com:
Offense Def
2015. 21. 51
2014. 28. 21
2013. 46. 25
2012. 87. 59
2011. 88. 28
2010. 69. 12
2009. 44. 72

Might explain why our D coaches are poached so much. Just thought it was interesting numbers.
02-23-2016, 11:45 AM
DudyDawg

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Using us as a stepping stone twice is not ideal for sure.

Maybe we need to realize that's what we are. At least to a lot of people
02-23-2016, 11:47 AM
NCDawg

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Originally Posted by Dawgology

Would it not be funny if Preachermatt was right finally. But I think we will get a "young up-and-comer". It would be cool to throw the DL coach and asst head coach title at Orgeron with a $700k price tag and see what he says.

It would be the best move we could make in my opinion.
02-23-2016, 11:49 AM
Dawgtini

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Originally Posted by Coach

That's not how it was. It's not how it works. I love the people around me, but if one of them came to me and said the had the opportunity to go home and do the same thing. I would stand-up, walk to him and tell him I get it..... In the end, his number 1 priority isn't to me. It's to his family.

If you can't grasp that it has nothing to do with a debt that he supposedly owed Mullen and MSU, I don't know what to tell you! Some times life isn't about MSU or football.

Wow. Firing on all cylinders today, Coach. Way too much mature, sensible dialog from you for many of these folks today. +100
02-23-2016, 11:52 AM
chef dixon

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Originally Posted by DudyDawg

Maybe we need to realize that's what we are. At least to a lot of people

Any rational fan knows this and has known this the entire time.

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