Some one explaine to me why Neb fired a 9 win coach?

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

I agree with you about that- or at least that you would think it would occur more often because honestly I would consider beating Ole Miss in 2009 to be in the "good team" category- with the caveat that we now know in hindsight that they were on the decline but no one realized it until they lost to Jacksonville State the next year.

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Actually, I did, and said as much on Rivals message board. It's what triggered the ensuing fight that reminded me why I hated TSUN so much from the 80's, and started a war with their fans that has me the most-hated poster on that board for TSUN fans.

I had actually softened my stance on them after decades of being away from home after graduation. I was even complementary about them in 2008, making posts about how underrated they were and predicting they were going to easily handle Texas Tech in the CB.

But the following year, after watching a few games, I stated they were a little overrated that year, and that I thought we were actually better, despite our record, and would beat them in the Egg Bowl. The moment I said the slightest thing uncomplimentary about OM, their fans went ape-shit on me, getting highly personal and ugly, a few so much so that they were banned from Rivals.

That delusional bunch is a real piece-of-work. As long as you say nice things about them, you're a good dude, but the moment you say, even respectfully, anything critical of their team, they can't just disagree or debate you, they feel the need to destroy you personally, attacking, not your comments, but YOU. They make it, again, personal and ugly. They aren't capable of winning an argument on the merits, so they relentlessly attack the messenger, rather than the message.

That was the year I got reminded why I justifiably hated those arrogant, obnoxious, delusional a-holes all those years ago. I will never again forget or tamp down on my hate for those morons.

GTHOM! GTHUNM!

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Originally Posted by Coach34

The SEC and it's money has lifted State up a good bit higher than we were in 1991 when Jackie took over. Not quite an apple to apples comparison.

When Jackie came in- we had a 35K capacity stadium that we didn't fill. We weren't top 50 in budget as we are now. Teams like Memphis and La Tech were on a much closer level to us than they are now. Hell, Jackie's 1st year is the first year the Egg Bowl moved back to campus.

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Yes and we get an extra cupcake win now. Plus 80 teams make bowl games.

Oh, you want to keep playing......OK I'll keep going too....

Bottom line in this game, it's all about what you win, right? So let's look at bottom line accomplishments:

Record in 1st 7 years:
King Jackie: 47-38-2 (.540), 23-31-1 (.418)
Mullen: 54-35 (.607), 26-30 (.464)

I gave KJ 7 more wins to make up for the 12 game schedule (12th game is the FCS game for Mullen). SEC record also factors out SEC money. You lose.

Hardware in 1st 7 years:
King Jackie: no significant bowl wins, 4 Eggs, 1 3-loss regular season in 1994
Mullen: 1 Gator Bowl win, 4 Eggs, 1 2-loss regular season in 2014

Better overall record and more tangible accomplishments.....this is no contest. It's not a blow-out, but no tangible evidence shows King Jackie was better in his 1st 7 years than Mullen. You lose again.

Logic would say, give Mullen a chance to out-do Jackie in his next couple of years.....when ended up being the best of his tenure. You SHOULD be excited, but instead you are a negative blowhard.

Do you want to talk about NFL draft picks next?

ETA: I'll go ahead and do that one for you too. King Jackie had 20, Mullen had 17. But, wait......Jones, Prescott and Redmond count too. Not to mention Wilson, Brown or Ross.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

The SEC and it's money has lifted State up a good bit higher than we were in 1991 when Jackie took over. Not quite an apple to apples comparison.

When Jackie came in- we had a 35K capacity stadium that we didn't fill. We weren't top 50 in budget as we are now. Teams like Memphis and La Tech were on a much closer level to us than they are now. Hell, Jackie's 1st year is the first year the Egg Bowl moved back to campus.

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I'll acknowledge some of what you're saying, but we had 40K capacity when Jackie arrived. And the year before Dan arrived we were averaging 43K.

The SEC money has lifted us above the mid-major teams, but just like always we are still in the bottom 2 or 3 in the SEC. And mid-major teams still rise up and beat SEC teams - see Memphis and Toledo.

I do agree that it's reasonable to expect Dan to pull off some big upsets, while still beating the teams he's supposed to beat.

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

Oh, you want to keep playing......OK I'll keep going too....

Bottom line in this game, it's all about what you win, right? So let's look at bottom line accomplishments:

Record in 1st 7 years:
King Jackie: 47-38-2 (.540), 23-31-1 (.418)
Mullen: 54-35 (.607), 26-30 (.464)

I gave KJ 7 more wins to make up for the 12 game schedule (12th game is the FCS game for Mullen). SEC record also factors out SEC money. You lose.

Hardware in 1st 7 years:
King Jackie: no significant bowl wins, 4 Eggs, 1 3-loss regular season in 1994
Mullen: 1 Gator Bowl win, 4 Eggs, 1 2-loss regular season in 2014

Better overall record and more tangible accomplishments.....this is no contest. It's not a blow-out, but no tangible evidence shows King Jackie was better in his 1st 7 years than Mullen. You lose again.

Logic would say, give Mullen a chance to out-do Jackie in his next couple of years.....when ended up being the best of his tenure. You SHOULD be excited, but instead you are a negative blowhard.

Do you want to talk about NFL draft picks next?

ETA: I'll go ahead and do that one for you too. King Jackie had 20, Mullen had 17. But, wait......Jones, Prescott and Redmond count too. Not to mention Wilson, Brown or Ross.

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So we should expect 1998 and 1999 type results in 2016 and 2017. Sweet. Where should I book in Atlanta? Also, the bears are going to be pissed that they are about to get blown out at home next year.

You know what's better than upsets? Beating good teams because you're better than them.

Dan could've lost some extra games in 2014 and then our wins over LSU and Auburn, etc., could have been upsets in hindsight. But I'm glad they weren't.

There are several variables when trying to compare different era's. Like mentioned our budget has grown a lot since Jackie's time, etc. Jackie also didn't have to compete in a West division that at least during 2010-2013 was by far the most brutal of any division in the history of college football. The number of 10 win teams in our division alone was incredible. I looked at it one time and Dan has had to play against more 10+ win teams in his tenure than Jackie did over the course of his entire time here. By a surprising margin. An upset would be great and it's past time but there have been more than one year when you had multiple legit national title powers going at it. That 2010 team in any other conference or even just in the SEC east probably wins 10-11 reg season games. The West that year through 2013 really was churning out some mind boggling teams.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

So we should expect 1998 and 1999 type results in 2016 and 2017. Sweet. Where should I book in Atlanta? Also, the bears are going to be pissed that they are about to get blown out at home next year.

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I'll say this again:

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

Logic would say, give Mullen a chance to out-do Jackie in his next couple of years.....when ended up being the best of his tenure. You SHOULD be excited, but instead you are a negative blowhard.

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Pay attention to the last part. It particularly applies to you too.

If I remember correctly, the end of 1997 resulted in a home Egg loss as well, which sent Ole Miss to a bowl game and kept us at home. Plus, we got beat up in the pre-game fight. We recovered from that pretty well, didn't we?

I see no reason not to expect success going forward in the next 2 years. We've recruited well, and have depth at QB.

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

I see no reason not to expect success going forward in the next 2 years. We've recruited well, and have depth at QB.

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We're going to be picked 7th in SEC West in preseason next year- and I cant say I disagree. I cant say any other team with what they have returning should finish lower than us

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We're going to be picked 7th in SEC West in preseason next year- and I cant say I disagree. I cant say any other team with what they have returning should finish lower than us

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1. We were picked 7th this year.

2. I don't think your definition of success and his are the same.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

We're going to be picked 7th in SEC West in preseason next year- and I cant say I disagree. I cant say any other team with what they have returning should finish lower than us

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I don't disagree, but we don't look to be in that much different shape than pretty much any other west team besides Bama. Arkansas is losing their very good Qb, UM is losing a lot, A&M is flirting with dumpster fire, auburn is flirting with dumpster fire. The West is Bama and everybody else. Everybody but Bama looks like they will take a step backwards next year or it's not obvious they'll be better. Obviously somebody will end up having a better year than expected, but it's not clear who at this point.

Us being picked 7th doesn't mean anything except that we're not looking like a top team in the West, which is pretty much what is required for us to be picked something other than last in the preseason. I'm not expecting good things next year, but getting picked 7th by people that are almost always wrong doesn't make me feel any worse.

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Originally Posted by Taog Redloh

I see no reason not to expect success going forward in the next 2 years. We've recruited well, and have depth at QB.

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If you look at next year's roster and you can see a Floyd Womack or a Randy Thomas on the OL or a JJ Johnson at RB, and then see a defense that has been shredded the last two times it has taken the field, even with a first round talent on the DL, an NFL draft pick at corner, and you see things as projecting towards a 1998 season, then great.

I don't see it.

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Originally Posted by Johnson85

I don't disagree, but we don't look to be in that much different shape than pretty much any other west team besides Bama. Arkansas is losing their very good Qb, UM is losing a lot, A&M is flirting with dumpster fire, auburn is flirting with dumpster fire. The West is Bama and everybody else. Everybody but Bama looks like they will take a step backwards next year or it's not obvious they'll be better. Obviously somebody will end up having a better year than expected, but it's not clear who at this point.

Us being picked 7th doesn't mean anything except that we're not looking like a top team in the West, which is pretty much what is required for us to be picked something other than last in the preseason. I'm not expecting good things next year, but getting picked 7th by people that are almost always wrong doesn't make me feel any worse.

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LSU is not taking a step backwards. They still don't have a QB, but they are loaded at every other position and are bringing in the top recruiting class in the country.

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

So we should expect 1998 and 1999 type results in 2016 and 2017. Sweet. Where should I book in Atlanta? Also, the bears are going to be pissed that they are about to get blown out at home next year.

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The days of a team like our 98 team going to Atl are long gone. They were 6-2 like Mullen last year. That doesn't cut it anymore. JWS got it while the gettin was good (as did Nutt with Arky for that matter).

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

LSU is not taking a step backwards. They still don't have a QB, but they are loaded at every other position and are bringing in the top recruiting class in the country.

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LSU is returning 15-16 starters and bringing in a top 3 recruiting class to go with it.
Auburn is returning 15 starters and both QB's. Their Crooting class is 7th in the country right now
UPig loses their QB but returns 15-16 starters- including 9 on D.
A&M returns 16 starters- has to answer QB question. But they are loaded at WR and on the DL.
OM loses alot- but returns their QB and has a top 5 recruiting class
Bama is Bama

The SEC West should be improved next year

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Originally Posted by HancockCountyDog

LSU is not taking a step backwards. They still don't have a QB, but they are loaded at every other position and are bringing in the top recruiting class in the country.

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Depends on how much Miles is a lame duck coach. And they have recruited well the last 3 years. 6th, 2nd, and 5th in the country to go with these last 2 8 win seasons. It's quite possible they don't win any more than that next year. However, Miles may be the type of coach to overcome a lame duck year because he is such a players coach. It's 50/50 at best that they win more than 9 next year. Which is pretty average for them recruiting above Top 5 on average the last three years.

And should we finish 7th- and a 4th loss in 5 years to Freezus...he doesnt need to be fired. But 2017 would be his make or break year

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Originally Posted by Coach34

LSU is returning 15-16 starters and bringing in a top 3 recruiting class to go with it.
Auburn is returning 15 starters and both QB's. Their Crooting class is 7th in the country right now
UPig loses their QB but returns 15-16 starters- including 9 on D.
A&M returns 16 starters- has to answer QB question. But they are loaded at WR and on the DL.
OM loses alot- but returns their QB and has a top 5 recruiting class
Bama is Bama

The SEC West should be improved next year

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Based on our depth chart we return 13,14 starters as well.

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Originally Posted by Ifyouonlyknew

Based on our depth chart we return 13,14 starters as well.

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yes- but who we lose is the problem.

The West is going to be improved next year- even with all the questions teams have. Lots of starters returning across the board.

This has been circulating and I think a bear put it together and I have been hesitant to post it because the board was on suicide watch most of Christmas, but this spreadsheet really is really telling about Mullen's tenure in the SEC. He definitely beats who he should beat and loses to who he should lose to.

http://images.yuku.com/image/jpg/2f7...249def60_r.jpg

What it tells me is that Mullen should send a thank you note to Lexington pretty much every year.

Its also amazing to me that Mullen has only beaten one SEC team with a winning SEC record. Only 5 teams that were .500 or better that he beat. 17 of the 26 SEC teams he has beaten won 2 or less SEC games.

IT's fair to say that Mullen has feasted on some pretty shitty competition.