Sunday Morning QB- C34 is pissed off Edition

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Originally Posted by HoopsDawg

We tried to hit Bear on a slant. We tried to hit Bear on a fade. Then Dak got 2 yards on 3rd down. It's 4th and 1 and we let our best player try to get in the endzone. Same play Mullen ran with Tebow a hundred times. Same play Mullen ran to beat Ole Miss in the Egg Bowl. I would rather run Dak straight at them then try and run wide. Need better O-linemen. That's what it comes down to.

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And as a play caller don't you think he knows we don't have better ****ing offensive lineman? Surely he watches film and realizes that they suck and you know what we might not be able to slam it in vs their goal line package. So run something muther****ing else in that genius ****** playbook. ****ing Christ.

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Originally Posted by ShotgunDawg

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I want to keep Mullen with everything we have. What we need is another Brewster. We need a recruiting maniac that coaches a non consequential position. We need a recruiter on staff that is capable of pulling 2-3 elite players a year and we need to pay this guy so well that he can't leave.

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Respectfully you can leave with him then.

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Originally Posted by THE Bruce Dickinson

Every one of these losses with the exception of the 1 Ole Miss loss from this year has been to a team that made a new year's 6/BCS bowl game. 3 of them were to teams that played for or won the national championship, and 2 of those teams had the Heisman Trophy Winner.

I know you have an agenda to keep pushing but the argument is silly.

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but somebody beats Alabama every year- yet never us

We actually have "fans" that want Mullen to leave?!?!?!
How many bowl games in a row?
How many weeks at No. 1 !!??!?!?!
Your expectations are ridiculous.
EVERYBODY picked us last this year - except for some of you brilliant "coaches"
that set the bar too high based on the 2-3 star talent we had returning.
Get over yourselves.

There's no telling what would happen to our program if Mullen leaves. We may get the correct hire, but we also may **** up big. Then we're back in a hole like we were in the '00s. Can't afford that again, our competition would leave us at the grave.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Very well said. It's a quandary for us because he DOES beat teams that are worse than us- something that Croom and Jackie didn't do all the time. BUT at the same time he very rarely beats anyone as good or better than us- which is something Jackie did at an acceptable rate. Which means it CAN be done at MSU.

And I think the reason why he rarely beats big time opponents is what you outlined in your post. You can't have people like Zach Jackson out there as much as he is, and you can't have Rufus Warren out there as much as he is when you have JT Gray and Elgton Jenkins respectively. And at least try to cover up weaknesses by adjusting in game like bringing in an extra blocker to help out the o-line- which is something Shumpert would actually be pretty good at and could have been useful. And he needs to stop pretending like Gabe Jackson is still around and running Dak up the middle on 3rd and 7 and then be shocked when it only gets a yard.

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While I know we can do better, there something to be said for a program that goes to bowl games every year and solidifies itself as an 8 win program (roughly .500 in conference) with room to grow. That's something no one has accomplished at MSU and Dan has. Some random that C34 wants to bring in that won't even win the Pac-12 South is definitely not the answer.

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Originally Posted by Coach34

but somebody beats Alabama every year- yet never us

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You are right. It is usually the eventual national champs

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

While I know we can do better, there something to be said for a program that goes to bowl games every year and solidifies itself as an 8 win program (roughly .500 in conference) with room to grow. That's something no one has accomplished at MSU and Dan has. Some random that C34 wants to bring in that won't even win the Pac-12 South is definitely not the answer.

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I do agree with this. Wanting Mullen gone is not smart at all.

We just need him to continue the good things he's done, while focusing on getting rid of the next list of mistakes he has been repeating. It's a process...and he can do it....and as long as he knows that and works on the shortcomings, we'd be foolish to run him off.

I love knowing every year it's not a matter of "if we're going to be good"....but instead "just how good will we be". Now we need to improve the recruiting a little more (focus on OL), work on the personnel decisions, and quit being stubborn and play to our strengths instead of trying to force things we don't have.

Focus on those things in combination with everything he's been doing, and we will take another step forward.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I do agree with this. Wanting Mullen gone is not smart at all. We just need him to continue the good things he's done, while focusing on getting rid of the next list of mistakes he has been repeating. It's a process...and he can do it....and as long as he knows that and works on the shortcomings, we'd be foolish to run him off. I love knowing every year it's not a matter of "if we're going to be pretty good"....but instead "how good will we be". Now we need to improve the recruiting a little more (focus on OL), work on the personnel decisions, and quit being stubborn and play to our strengths instead of trying to force things we don't have. Fo those things in combination with everything he's been doing, and we will take another step forward.

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You use words like shortcomings...and stubborn....those people don't change in the amount of time we need them to. Please leave. I'll take my chances.

If you are wanting Mullen gone you need to get someone more impressive than Kyle Whittingham.

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

While I know we can do better, there something to be said for a program that goes to bowl games every year and solidifies itself as an 8 win program (roughly .500 in conference) with room to grow. That's something no one has accomplished at MSU and Dan has. Some random that C34 wants to bring in that won't even win the Pac-12 South is definitely not the answer.

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Whittingham went 13-0 and has three 10 win seasons at Utah plus a 9 win season and has 8 wins right now. You know what else he has done that Dan hasn't? Beaten Alabama and yes, WITH Saban.

He's hardly "some random".

Fuente at Memphis would be my personal choice however.

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Originally Posted by Bothrops

There's no telling what would happen to our program if Mullen leaves. We may get the correct hire, but we also may **** up big. Then we're back in a hole like we were in the '00s. Can't afford that again, our competition would leave us at the grave.

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Dont confuse the program with the coach. Mullen has vastly improved the program, but those improvements wont leave with him. Thats what it boils down to, what Mullen brought to the job is here to stay with or without him, but the shortcomings he brought will go right out the door with him.

We already have a good coach. If someone that is a good coach + an elite recruiter comes along then hire him.

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Originally Posted by Todd4State

Whittingham went 13-0 and has three 10 win seasons at Utah plus a 9 win season and has 8 wins right now. You know what else he has done that Dan hasn't? Beaten Alabama and yes, WITH Saban.

He's hardly "some random".

Fuente at Memphis would be my personal choice however.

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He lost to a very underwhelming Arizona team this weekend. He plays in a weak league and has had success, he's supposed to do that. I may be downplaying his success, but I'm not sold that his current team is better than ours.

Also, all joking aside, you guys want to trade "Dan the Scientologist" for an actual LDS church member and try to recruit in Mississippi and Alabama? I have no problem with anyone's religion personally, but I'm also a realist...

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Originally Posted by Eric Nies Grind Time

We already have a good coach. If someone that is a good coach + an elite recruiter comes along then hire him.

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Holy shitballs. We have a decent overall coach, but one whos strength is development and systrm, amd whose weakness is field coaching and adjustments of any kind, be it within a game or within a season. Overall, he's not a good coach.

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

He lost to a very underwhelming Arizona team this weekend. He plays in a weak league and has had success, he's supposed to do that. I may be downplaying his success, but I'm not sold that his current team is better than ours.

Also, all joking aside, you guys want to trade "Dan the Scientologist" for an actual LDS church member and try to recruit in Mississippi and Alabama? I have no problem with anyone's religion personally, but I'm also a realist...

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Yeah the scientologist thing has really kept those recruits from coming to state. I'm sure LDS would have the same effect.

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Originally Posted by CadaverDawg

I may be speaking for myself only, but I'm not mad we lost to Bama.....I'm mad that we got blown off the ****ing field vs Bama in the Senior season of our best QB in history. I'm mad that we continued to do the same things that didn't work at all last year vs Bama. Im mad that despite extra prep time, we still shot ourselves in the foot multiple times. I'm mad that I had to witness our QB and 120 lb RB get no yards up the middle vs Bama time after time again, when a 4 year old could have guaranteed Mullen it wouldn't work. That's why I'm mad. I have no doubt the better team won...but the fact that we got the shit kicked out of us in a huge game, on our home field, in Dak's revenge game of his Senior year, makes me mad. I'm kinda surprised people are so ok with that turd of a performance. Really surprised that people are actually wondering why people aren't happy with an ass beating.

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When he was entering the game vs Alabama he was 20-5 in his last 25 games. He did this at MSU. It is really hard to win at football at MSU. Maybe the team will fall apart this season but he could still get to 10 wins with a bowl.

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Originally Posted by randyholloway

He lost to a very underwhelming Arizona team this weekend. He plays in a weak league and has had success, he's supposed to do that. I may be downplaying his success, but I'm not sold that his current team is better than ours.

Also, all joking aside, you guys want to trade "Dan the Scientologist" for an actual LDS church member and try to recruit in Mississippi and Alabama? I have no problem with anyone's religion personally, but I'm also a realist...

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As I said, Fuente is my first choice. But if we end up with Whittingham, that's hardly a Rick Ray hire. As some appear to be fearful of.

At the end of the day, at the very least if I was Scott I would tell Dan to dump or demote Hevesey, Sallach, and maybe Knox with Hevesey being the only one that is totally non-negotiable. And I would tell him if he doesn't want to do that, then good luck at Miami.

At the end of the day, Dan could make his ridiculous play calls and have it work much better with a functional o-line.

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Originally Posted by I seen it dawg

Yeah the scientologist thing has really kept those recruits from coming to state. I'm sure LDS would have the same effect.

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Because it was a blatant lie. This would be true - you want to compete head to head with Freeze on that front?! Not smart.

No offense guys, but I don't think you're seeing this clearly. Understandable after a tough weekend, but sleep it off and let's finish the season and see where it goes. Dan was left for dead in 2013 and found a way to finish, let's see what he can do here.