Rick Ray gets another head job before Stands

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Originally Posted by confucius say

This is simply not true. At least, not always. Context matters. All things being equal, yes head gig is better. But if I told you, for instance, to choose bt a head job where you will not win, make 1/3 the money, in a crappy place, where you will be canned in 2-3 years, I hope you would not choose that over an associate head job with more $, all the perks, and job stability.

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Kennedy has been at aTm 4 years with no ncaa tourneys. I wouldn't say he has a ton of job stability

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Kennedy has been at aTm 4 years with no ncaa tourneys. I wouldn't say he has a ton of job stability

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True- but he did just get a contract extension last Fall and brought in a great class. They will be very good this year and most likely in the NCAA Tourney.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Kennedy has been at aTm 4 years with no ncaa tourneys. I wouldn't say he has a ton of job stability

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exactly- there is absolutely no guarantee Stands will get the head job if they get rid of Kennedy. They may have their eyes on a bigger "name" to make a splash as well and dangling that carrot to keep Stands motivated. Alot of schools do that to their "recruiters"

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Originally Posted by confucius say

This is simply not true. At least, not always. Context matters. All things being equal, yes head gig is better. But if I told you, for instance, to choose bt a head job where you will not win, make 1/3 the money, in a crappy place, where you will be canned in 2-3 years, I hope you would not choose that over an associate head job with more $, all the perks, and job stability.

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But who is saying you must lose and be fired?

Obviously, being a stable assistant making good money at a decent program is better than making less, not winning, and being fired. But it is not better than being a head coach at a decent program. And to get there, you generally have to take a head gig at a lesser program first.

That's why I said it depends on where your career goals are and what head job you can realistically get if you stay.

But most coaches who aspire to be the head man at a good program would rather have the head gig at a smaller school than an assistant job just about anywhere. Because they have confidence in themselves and believe they can win and be hired elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by smootness

But who is saying you must lose and be fired?

Obviously, being a stable assistant making good money at a decent program is better than making less, not winning, and being fired. But it is not better than being a head coach at a decent program. And to get there, you generally have to take a head gig at a lesser program first.

That's why I said it depends on where your career goals are and what head job you can realistically get if you stay.

But most coaches who aspire to be the head man at a good program would rather have the head gig at a smaller school than an assistant job just about anywhere. Because they have confidence in themselves and believe they can win and be hired elsewhere.

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I agree. That is why I said context matters. If you think you can win there, by all means go. I was simply refuting the notion that a head gig is always better. It is dangerous to think/speak in absolutes.

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Originally Posted by smootness

But who is saying you must lose and be fired?

Obviously, being a stable assistant making good money at a decent program is better than making less, not winning, and being fired. But it is not better than being a head coach at a decent program. And to get there, you generally have to take a head gig at a lesser program first.

That's why I said it depends on where your career goals are and what head job you can realistically get if you stay.

But most coaches who aspire to be the head man at a good program would rather have the head gig at a smaller school than an assistant job just about anywhere. Because they have confidence in themselves and believe they can win and be hired elsewhere.

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Thing is, Stans already has the HC on his resume, with moderate success at a power conference program. In his situation, I'm not sure having a good year or 2 with semo would make much difference. Now if we were talking a career assistant with no HC experience, then you have a point about taking a HC job to prove you can do it (though every year in every sport, there's still high level assistants that turn down lower level HC offers because it's not the right situation to maximize their chances of success, so it's not a black and white situation).