On basketball improvement...

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

Gracious, don't be so sensitive, I was only comparing them in the methods used to "clean up the program" and not wanting players leftover from the old coach. In that, the comparison definitely has merit. People who like Ray get so touchy about the whole Croom/Ray thing.

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If ray is croom 2, then you guys should be happy. Croom cleaned up our program and left mullen with some decent talent to win with

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If ray is croom 2, then you guys should be happy. Croom cleaned up our program and left mullen with some decent talent to win with

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Yea. Only problem is waiting another year before getting our basketball Mullen.

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Originally Posted by Dawg61

Yea. Only problem is waiting another year before getting our basketball Mullen.

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Just think if we fired croom after year 3, we wouldn't have mullen

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Originally Posted by msstate7

If ray is croom 2, then you guys should be happy. Croom cleaned up our program and left mullen with some decent talent to win with

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First, I've never called Ray Croom 2. Second, I don't personally believe that to "clean up the program" that every decent player that was there before you arrived has to be run off. It just forces you to take a MUCH longer path back to being competitive. Like I said, Steele could have made a world of difference to this team but it seems Ray didn't care because he wasn't his guy.

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Originally Posted by maroonmania

First, I've never called Ray Croom 2. Second, I don't personally believe that to "clean up the program" that every decent player that was there before you arrived has to be run off. It just forces you to take a MUCH longer path back to being competitive. Like I said, Steele could have made a world of difference to this team but it seems Ray didn't care because he wasn't his guy.

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Didn't Steele fail multiple drug tests or am I thinking of someone else?

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Just think if we fired croom after year 3, we wouldn't have mullen

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Yea we would and he'd be ahead of where we're at currently.

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Originally Posted by msstate7

Didn't Steele fail multiple drug tests or am I thinking of someone else?

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Wendell Lewis supposedly did, and I don't know that Steele was a choir boy but when the issue of him wanting to redshirt instead of playing on the bad knee his true SR year came up there was never talk that he was being cut loose because of anything other than Ray didn't want to keep him on scholarship that long.